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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:09 pm
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Be honest--who's the last musician (and not just guitarist) who turned you on with something new? They might have been influenced by someone before them, but they actually sounded like themself?

It's been a while for me, too...


The first names that come to mind are Yngwie and Mike Stern, but that was a LONG time ago. Let me keep thinking ....

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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:37 pm
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I get the point here but if someone loves Stevie's music and they are happy being a SRV clone then let em enjoy themselves. These guys probably are not shooting for the stars they just enjoy it. I did happen to see a SRV clone at a local music festival, he had some good original songs, played excellent and was very entertaining.

There are some players that have impressed me in recent years, Brad Paisley comes to mind here. Give a listen to his new album "Play" several good instrumentals touching on a few different styles ( surf for one ). I think he borrows from a few different styles and created his own.

Originality is hard to come by, if it was easy everyone would do it. So most just choose to have a good time.


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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:31 pm
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I agree with the original post +1

To answer your question, the last artist to touch unclaimed ground is kurt cobain. After his spell of angst the music spectrum started to look full and since then it has become increasingly hard to approach music in a new way. There are exceptions, but few compared to the past. Call me a romantic but thats what I see :roll:


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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:00 pm
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Here's the way I see it. It's very hard to pick up a guitar escpically a Strat and play the Blues and not be ripping off Hendrix. Saying that, I would bet that if you dug hard enough and could somehow hear every person to ever pick up a guitar you would find someone that Hendrix may of copied or immulate. Unless you're the first person to ever make a musical note you are doing something that most like has been done before.

Don't knock SRV.


I agree, with this reply. So as you are complaining, what inovative sound and style do you play that has never been done before that has no influence from any other artist? Every style and sound is an exspansion of what already exist from the time it was first created. The first note, then a scale, cord, progressions, ect ect. Unless you created the guitar, or even the first musical note you are inevitable just expanding on what already exsist. Nothing wrong with expanding what exist to form your own sound, but it all comes back to influence from previous inovations from others. If you want to find originality, sorry, i don't think mankind could trace the first musical note that was ever considered as just a plesant sound. SRV did not invent the blues , nor did Hendrix, but they expanded on what exist. Everyone has influence and style that precedes them from the first point of creation, sort of like an evolutional type thing. Gotta sound like something before you before you can expand.


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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:47 pm
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Just shut up and play. :wink:

I don't see anything wrong with anyone who "feels" the music like Stevie, Clapton, Bach , Mozart........ what ever. Find what moves you and go for it. You can talk chops all day, but if you play to be "cool" or get the chicks, I don't care how "technicaly" good you are. People know a "poser".How many bands have come and gone that had good players, but thier hearts weren't in to it. PLAY YOUR HEART NOT YOUR AXE.

The people that sit around and bash other peoples chops are losers. No one needs them around. I could learn something from a new guitarist.

NOTICE ALL THE BEST PLAYERS ARE HUMBLE. Clapton remarked how all he plays is bits of licks all mixed up and put together. It's no big deal. :? Stevie would likely tell you his bro was much better than him. :shock:

I could keep goin' but I hope you get the point. PLAY.


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Little Brother the blues (and music in general) is all about 'ripping off' your heroes. Some prefer to say "emulating" rather than "ripping off" but it's all the same thing. Eventually we morph it into something that is a combination of what our heroes did and what we are doing. But it starts out as straight copying other peoples stuff.

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I'll admit that I've "emulated" or "ripped off" or whatever many, many people--my personal guitar influences are Jimmie Vaughan, Muddy Waters, Keith Richards, Ron Wood, Billy Gibbons, Waylon Jennings and Rollo Smith--but I have never attempted to play "just like" anyone else. I'll steal a lick or a riff, but to be honest, I've never even learned to play another person or band's song "perfectly"; I would rather learn the basic structure of the song and roll with it from there. Sometimes the results are great, sometimes...not so much...but either way I didn't try to clone another artist.

I also sing and play harmonica; once again, I might play someone else's song, but I do it my way. No matter what the instrument, I personally prefer playing original songs that I (or my bandmates) have written instead of doing a "cover" gig.

Everyone is going to "sound like" someone else--especially if you're playing blues, rock or country--but all the better artists (be they famous or not) add innovation (rather than emulation) to their forebears.

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I guess Beethoven must be one of the most ripped off artist in the history of the world. Are Symphony's supposed to add or change what he has writen and been played since 1800 I don't think so. And much of the modern classics just have to be played as is. If you want to make your own mark you just have to play you own stuff but there is nothing wrong with trying to be able to play a modern masterpiece of work as good as the masters do themselfs be it guitar ,drum, bass, ect.

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SRV is not anything close to a Hendrix rip-off artist. While he is clearly influenced by Hendrix, he blazed his own and very unique trail. Now Randy Hansen is another story...

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SRV combined many different styles to form his own sound. To me his sound reflected more Albert King influences than Jimi. SRV was able to use all his influences and re-awake the Blues to a new audience in the 80's. SRV always made sure he gave back to those who influenced him and let it be know who those influences were. He may have copies some of Jimi's moves, but he never had to light his guitar on fire to inspire a crowd. SRV also had the courage to battle his personal demons and was again inspirational in a whole other way.
Thanks Stevie!


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Hey Fellow Stratheads-

This same discussion comes around every so often- The Steve Ray Wannabees with their bolero hats and beat-up reissue NOS strats plunking down Texas Blues as if their soul itself rose from a dust storm outside of Austin. They are out there and for better or worse....they are keeping SRV's Spirit alive in their very own way. I say let them play. There is no harm done. They are fulfilling something quite spiritual within themselves by doing this and none of us have the right to squash someones musical expression simply because we do not agree with their motivation or ideology.

I am a big Stevie Fan- His music, and the music he introduced me to has literally changed my life and I am thankful for that. But I am not Stevie - I tried for years to emulate his sound- then that all changed.

After a gig one night I was packing up my amp and stuff when a guy who had been listening came up to us. He thanked us and told us how much he enjoyed the show. Then he looked over to me and said that he liked what I was playing-It was original and that I reminded him of early Eric Clapton....Bluesbreakers, Cream Clapton. I was blown away- Here I was trying to capture SRV and then I get told I sounded like Eric Clapton. From that point on I decided to look withing my heart and play what my soul wanted me to play. I still Love SRV (and Clapton) and I am inspired by their power, their soul, and their talent- But I am going to work on sounding like "The Freeze".

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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:52 am
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WOW!!! So many posts off the original question:

Be honest--who's the last musician (and not just guitarist) who turned you on with something new? They might have been influenced by someone before them, but they actually sounded like themself?

The First band to turn my musical thoughts upside down was Ween. Later on I found others like Stereolab, Bright Eyes, Neutral Milk Hotel, Babyland, Of Montreal, Sufjan Stevens....just to name a few.

I loved SRV too, but like so many have said, everyone is just emulating their idols. I learned to play the guitar by listening to blues and to be completely honest the blues now bores the hell outta me. There's so many other styles to play and learn that I just can't do blues anymore.

Now I love experimenting to find my own sounds. Some of my favorite things to do is to write a song on guitar and then translate it onto Reason using the sequencers and synths. I know I'm not the first to do that, but it really puts a new perspective on what music is and could be.


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ratboy wrote:
SRV combined many different styles to form his own sound. To me his sound reflected more Albert King influences than Jimi. SRV was able to use all his influences and re-awake the Blues to a new audience in the 80's. SRV always made sure he gave back to those who influenced him and let it be know who those influences were. He may have copies some of Jimi's moves, but he never had to light his guitar on fire to inspire a crowd. SRV also had the courage to battle his personal demons and was again inspirational in a whole other way.
Thanks Stevie!

I beleive Hendrix only lite a guitar on fire twice.

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