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Beautiful .. would sure like to hear it ...

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The guitar tone (and playing) on Journeyman is one of the best ever. It is right up there with Texas Flood and Bridge Of Sighs for me.

That's a really heavily signal processed session there. Particularly "Pretending" for which I remember EC commenting on interview that he got back into using the wha pedal and some heavy flanging to get that tone.


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You can clearly see the glossy nitro, the 21 frets and the switch between the two tone knobs...the book says:"Early production sample of the Eric Clapton model. Note the 21 fret fingerboard and active/passive electronics switch".[/quote]

My copy of A.R.Duchossoir's book is a later edition. There are no photos of the instrument of which we speak. The cover carries a photo of the pewter final prototype. The other they did for him in red. The text however discusses the fact that the early designs carried an active passive switch which was later discarded, as were the pickups for the Elite. the starting point for that guitar, in favor of the Sensors which could feed the higher preamp requirements which Eric was asking for.

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zzdoc wrote:
You can clearly see the glossy nitro, the 21 frets and the switch between the two tone knobs...the book says:"Early production sample of the Eric Clapton model. Note the 21 fret fingerboard and active/passive electronics switch".


My copy of A.R.Duchossoir's book is a later edition. There are no photos of the instrument of which we speak. The cover carries a photo of the pewter final prototype. The other they did for him in red. The text however discusses the fact that the early designs carried an active passive switch which was later discarded, as were the pickups for the Elite. the starting point for that guitar, in favor of the Sensors which could feed the higher preamp requirements which Eric was asking for. The rationale for the 22 fret board is not discussed. However, I would speculate that his playing style more than spoke to the advantange of another step up.[/quote]

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zzdoc wrote:
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The guitar tone (and playing) on Journeyman is one of the best ever. It is right up there with Texas Flood and Bridge Of Sighs for me.

That's a really heavily signal processed session there. Particularly "Pretending" for which I remember EC commenting on interview that he got back into using the wha pedal and some heavy flanging to get that tone.


Definitely very processed- but I like it. I think that its as far as anyone has taken the Strat tone without losing the 'Stratness' of it.


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zzdoc wrote:
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You can clearly see the glossy nitro, the 21 frets and the switch between the two tone knobs...the book says:"Early production sample of the Eric Clapton model. Note the 21 fret fingerboard and active/passive electronics switch".


My copy of A.R.Duchossoir's book is a later edition. There are no photos of the instrument of which we speak. The cover carries a photo of the pewter final prototype. The other they did for him in red. The text however discusses the fact that the early designs carried an active passive switch which was later discarded, as were the pickups for the Elite. the starting point for that guitar, in favor of the Sensors which could feed the higher preamp requirements which Eric was asking for. The rationale for the 22 fret board is not discussed. However, I would speculate that his playing style more than spoke to the advantange of another step up.
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The story in this edition of the book is as follows:

John Page is supposed to have met Clapton after a gig with a hardtail Elite, this in the fading days of CBS...'84 or '85. Clapton rejected the gutiar demanding a V neck and more compressed sound, therefore as soon as they could they used the circuit of the Elite (TBX plus MBX raised from 12 Db to 18 Db) in a '57 vintage with V neck, therefore that guitar was to become the Clapton signature. Anyway, that red one is defined "early production model", therefore I wonder how many guitars were produced with these specs...

After all these changes the Clapton signature to me was nothing more than a Plus with MDX and V neck.


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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:07 pm
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You have a point in the perception of the guitar, but it eventually evolves into more than a Plus. It's built in the Custom Shop, according to current findings in these pages. Has a V-neck to Eric's preference, blocked trem, no roller nut, and ultimately a 25db midboost in a TBX circuit. A bit of an individual, no? :wink:

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zzdoc wrote:
You have a point in the perception of the guitar, but it eventually evolves into more than a Plus. It's built in the Custom Shop, according to current findings in these pages. Has a V-neck to Eric's preference, blocked trem, no roller nut, and ultimately a 25db midboost in a TBX circuit. A bit of an individual, no? :wink:


Built in the Custom shop?Sure? Its price is like any other signature model...and all the ones I've played didn't have the blocked trem...

One was a '91 green like the one in the discussion.

Anyway, the plus was a better guitar, expecially in graffiti yellow! :wink: :wink: :wink:


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That is a nice looking guitar. I never new they called that 7-up Green always thougt it was called Candy Green.

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Built in the Custom shop?Sure? I refer you to the original post on that question.


Anyway, the plus was a better guitar, expecially in graffiti yellow! :wink: :wink: :wink:[/quote] According to A.R. Duchossoir,
that finish was originally intended for Jeff Beck...The Plus was to have been a Jeff Beck Signature model.

Also, according to him, the original radius of the Clapton guitar was 8.5 and the boost 21db. Not so today. Things equal to the same thing are not always equal to each other it seems.

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zzdoc wrote:
According to A.R. Duchossoir,
that finish was originally intended for Jeff Beck...The Plus was to have been a Jeff Beck Signature model.

Also, according to him, the original radius of the Clapton guitar was 8.5 and the boost 21db. Not so today. Things equal to the same thing are not always equal to each other it seems.


At least he didn't change that part of the story...in fact, I always saw JB playing a Plus, and not his signature.

Oh, I also recall that Brad Whitford used to play a Plus Deluxe in those days....anyway the specs of the signature series changed a lot, even the Malmsteen model was patterned after a Sonic Blue '56 Strat that he liked in 1987 and now it's a sort of '72...


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Have Clapton Strats always come with the V shaped necks?

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Hey does the Clapton Strat only come in a V shaped neck? I'm kinda partial to C shaped necks.

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Hey does the Clapton Strat only come in a V shaped neck? I'm kinda partial to C shaped necksLove,Todd


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cvilleira wrote:
That is a nice looking guitar. I never new they called that 7-up Green always thougt it was called Candy Green.


7 Up was a nickname the official name is Candy Apple Green.

When I bought mine everybody said "How can you buy a green guitar, you'll never been able to resale it !"
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