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Do you think music of the post 2000 era (today) is better than the music before the year 2000?
yes 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
no 83%  83%  [ 44 ]
about the same 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
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Because, nowadays we can manufacture any sound, (and any visuals in movies), it seems to have lost that magic. Or maybe we just take it for granted.

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+1 from me too. Personally, I hate synthesized (manufactured) sounds. Give me the real instruments anyday. I even hate modeling amps. My EC strat & a tube amp can cover an entire show with a variety of sounds without the gimmicks. Also + 1 to Todd about the 60's - a perfect 10 from me as well.


Thank you. And I totally agree about Strat + Tube Amp. Beautiful, ballsy tones. I use a Wah with regularity. And I still have all my old toys from my overprocessed youth. (Does anybody remember the E-Bow or the Roland Funny Cat?)

The most important sounds are in your fingers.

B.B.King, for instance. (Hell, he probably has said that.)

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Todd Montgomery wrote:
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The most important sounds are in your fingers.

B.B.King, for instance. (Hell, he probably has said that.)

Love,
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When people start talking about how to achieve awesome tones that is the 1st thing I tell them. I too have added a crybaby to my lineup as well as a MXR/CAE boost/overdrive which I only use the latter for a lead or gain boost for leads only. Sometimes the EC's mid-boost is great but sometimes I want the plain single coil sound for leads is the only reason I added the boost/overdrive.


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The most important sounds are in your fingers.

B.B.King, for instance. (Hell, he probably has said that.)

Love,
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When people start talking about how to achieve awesome tones that is the 1st thing I tell them. I too have added a crybaby to my lineup as well as a MXR/CAE boost/overdrive which I only use the latter for a lead or gain boost for leads only. Sometimes the EC's mid-boost is great but sometimes I want the plain single coil sound for leads is the only reason I added the boost/overdrive.


I have an old MXR Distortion + and a Big Muff Pi.
Wheather I use 'em depends on which amp and guitar I'm using. I do like some breakup especially when I'm playing 2 strings in a solo and I'm bending the one string. That kind of distortion. Does that make sense?

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You have to think though. The people who were like 60 or so when the British invasion happend, they thought the stuff before was better. Its just what generation you were born in or what your parents influenced on you. Or just your own preference.

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You have to think though. The people who were like 60 or so when the British invasion happend, they thought the stuff before was better. Its just what generation you were born in or what your parents influenced on you. Or just your own preference.


Well, there is absolutly truth to what you say.
My Mom is a working Broadway Show pianist. She prefers Rodgers & Hammerstein or Lerner & Lowe.
Of note, she once told me that in the 1960s she and her fellow pit musicians rolled their eyes at the then current pop music. Then "Yesterday" came out. They were blown away. They didn't expect that kind of complexity and melodic richness from a pop song. The Beatles were ok from then on.
My 16 year old son likes rock music. He doesn't care what decade it's from - does it have a cool guitar? If yes, it's good.

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Someone turned me on to this site last year. Interesting stuff about the way music and the whole music business have changed . . . and not for the better.

http://www.beforethemusicdies.com/

Check out the video samples.

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Someone turned me on to this site last year. Interesting stuff about the way music and the whole music business have changed . . . and not for the better.

http://www.beforethemusicdies.com/

Check out the video samples.

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Thank You for sharing this.


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I found the full documentary. If you got time to you should watch this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4008931882


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My opinion: rock music died in 1993, because of grunge.

The crisis of the middle 90s recalles the crisis of late 70s, with punk that pratically denounced all progressive rock "$@!&", the industry stopped for many yeasr, until it came what Wolf Marshall called "the ressurrection of the 80s", with a lot of new metal from England, the famous NWOBHM: Diamond Head, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, these guys.

In LA Randy Rhoads and Van Halen rocked, so the wheel restarted to turn. I think that the 70s and the 80s were the best, somebody here mentioned today's virtuosos: Malmsteen, Vai, Johnson etc...but they are NOT example of today's music, they come from the 80s, and still are in the 80s.

The grunge came up to destroy all this: to be good at playing. The were successfull, as a teenager of the 90s I felt like a political dissident in Soviet Union: nobody wanted to play with me because I wasn't "alternative". Ironically, they were the same people who listened to Guns'n'roses until 1994, then it was over.

They say it was napster, internet, free download that killed music, I disagree: the discografic market collapsed earlier, and there were no new groups. Then hip hop took over, Spice girls etc...

Today, anyway there is still something good, at least here in Europe: after the 2000s I found a group I really like the music, they are Nigthwish. I know they aren't popular in the US, but I suggest the americans of the baord to listen to something. In general, scandinavian metal is strong but they are...dry in my opinion. Also I hate growling, I liek people like Gillian, Coverdale etc...but they are trying to make a effort to play, and that's good.


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Music up to around the Mid 70's was really creative, sonically the late 60's were awesome.

If I hear another dropped D screaming emo song as well as another Stevie Ray Vaughnabee or a Malmsteen clone I think I'll croak.

Nobody wants to develop their own style or tone anymore. Musically I was hoping for more. Even Dweezel Zappa is cashing in on his Dad. You would think with his gene pool he would be more creative. I saw Zappa Plays Zappa and all I can tell you there is none of his Dads spark in his playing. No energy or fun in his show. There's no emotion.

It's fine to be inspired, just be sure to get you own Tots. :mrgreen:


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63supro wrote:
Music up to around the Mid 70's was really creative, sonically the late 60's were awesome.

If I hear another dropped D screaming emo song as well as another Stevie Ray Vaughnabee or a Malmsteen clone I think I'll croak.

Nobody wants to develop their own style or tone anymore. Musically I was hoping for more. Even Dweezel Zappa is cashing in on his Dad. You would think with his gene pool he would be more creative. I saw Zappa Plays Zappa and all I can tell you there is none of his Dads spark in his playing. No energy or fun in his show. There's no emotion.

It's fine to be inspired, just be sure to get you own Tots. :mrgreen:


Listen to Nightwish. They developed their music...and very well.


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Most music I prefer is pre-1994... But there is some good modern bands. Endeverafter, Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage, ZO2, The Answer


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My opinion: rock music died in 1993, because of grunge.

The crisis of the middle 90s recalles the crisis of late 70s, with punk that pratically denounced all progressive rock "$@!&", the industry stopped for many yeasr, until it came what Wolf Marshall called "the ressurrection of the 80s", with a lot of new metal from England, the famous NWOBHM: Diamond Head, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, these guys.

In LA Randy Rhoads and Van Halen rocked, so the wheel restarted to turn. I think that the 70s and the 80s were the best, somebody here mentioned today's virtuosos: Malmsteen, Vai, Johnson etc...but they are NOT example of today's music, they come from the 80s, and still are in the 80s.

The grunge came up to destroy all this: to be good at playing. The were successfull, as a teenager of the 90s I felt like a political dissident in Soviet Union: nobody wanted to play with me because I wasn't "alternative". Ironically, they were the same people who listened to Guns'n'roses until 1994, then it was over.

They say it was napster, internet, free download that killed music, I disagree: the discografic market collapsed earlier, and there were no new groups. Then hip hop took over, Spice girls etc...

Today, anyway there is still something good, at least here in Europe: after the 2000s I found a group I really like the music, they are Nigthwish. I know they aren't popular in the US, but I suggest the americans of the baord to listen to something. In general, scandinavian metal is strong but they are...dry in my opinion. Also I hate growling, I liek people like Gillian, Coverdale etc...but they are trying to make a effort to play, and that's good.


I personally like grunge/alternative, musically and lyrically. That's not say I liked all of it, but there were some great bands like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana (of course some people hate Nirvana) etc... I guess people like certain decades more than others. I know that some people hated the 80's because there was a lack of creativity in soundscaping and it was more about virtuosity than it was about making memorable music. This is how I see it, every decade has it's good points and bad points, today however, there is more commercialization of untalented artists. That to me is the problem, also the radio, and the treatment of artists by the music indusry, and of course who could forget the one that stated it all...MTV.


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Well, first of all, let me just say that insulting artists and genres we may not enjoy is not fair to anyone. Not to the artists, and not to their fans. Personally, I believe I have a fairly diversified musical palate. I enjoy everything from seemingly ancient Robert Johnson and Blind Willie McTell recordings (Blind Willie, by the way, is often overlooked as a vocalist. I think he's pretty incredible), the great "Psychadelic Era" with Hendrix, Santana, and Jefferson Airplane, among others. Then you've got the 70's, bringing all their Pre-Metal riffs, such as Zeppelin and Sabbath. Personally, not a huge fan of much New Wave stuff, but I do find The Cars to be VERY good. Hair Metal and Rock Ballads aren't my cup of tea either. Though I think virtuosity is something many guitarists, such as myself, strive for, guitar playing doesn't have to be all about that. You have to enjoy it, and express what you feel, and not worry about what people think. I think Kurt Cobain and Nirvana, my personal favorite artist and band, did this very well, along with another one of my favorites, REM (though they are considered a very pop-oriented band).
As far as modern music goes, I'm a fan of a few bands, mostly bands I believe express real feelings and aren't just trying to get attention or commercial success. I do like modern Metal bands like System of a Down, as well as Disturbed. I suppose you could also throw Slipknot in there. And, sometimes, I think it's okay to listen to more Pop Rock type stuff. I love the Foo Fighters.
Besides Rock and Blues, Country, as well as Classical music, appeals to me (I know they are very different. Not sure why I'm kinda grouping them together.). As far as Country goes, I do go a bit more for the older tunes, Cash and Hank Williams to name a few. I also enjoy Elvis (though he and Cash could be considered more Rockabilly, along with Carl Perkins, Orbison, Jerry Lee Lewis). Charley Pride is an incredible vocalist, also. I think Classical compositions can really touch the soul, though. If you sit there and thoroughly digest the music, it can leave a deep impression on you. One for me is Handel's Water Music.
Also, classic R&B and Soul music is great. The Temptations and Fats Domino, though very different, are still very good. Folk music, too. Love Dylan.
Well, that's my very drawn out explanation on this debate. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, while it's great to bask in the glory of "older" music, eventually you're going to run out of material. I must have heard every Nirvana and Johnny Cash song ever written twice. So it is nice to continue to be surprised with new artists. While there are a lot of music out there I'm not extremely fond of, I'm still able to find plenty of "diamonds in the rough."

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