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Do you think music of the post 2000 era (today) is better than the music before the year 2000?
yes 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
no 83%  83%  [ 44 ]
about the same 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
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OK. I listened to it all and here's how I rate the decades:

1950's 9
1960's 10
1970's 6
1980's 7
1990's 5
2000's 3

There are some exceptions and caveats, of course. Jimi Hendrix died in 1970 but he really belongs to the 1960's. And actually the 1970's started strong but dissolved into a bunch of big hair bands. Rescued in the 1980's by New Wave. And it's been downhill ever since.


I'd keep the numbers high until the middle of the 1970's.
My dividing point is:
1) the drum machine.
2) commercial synthesizers

I am a Rocker but I, for instance, loved Funk. Disco is Funk with a drum machine and synth strings. Boring.

I love guitar (duh). But the digital processing which took over in the '80's took all the tone out of the guitar sound. Barf.

I would rate the '80's very low. The '90's start to pick up as the hair bands and europop bands die of overdoses. I would rate our new century higher than either of those last 2 decades.

I'm 49. Fortunatly, I play guitar. Even more fortunatly, I have a 16 year old son who plays guitar. He shows me bands I'd never hear about who are great. The Mooney Suzuki, The Hives, Raconteurs (Jack White), The Flaming Lips, QoSA & EoDM, etc. I like a lot of newer bands.

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That's really a loaded question. Pre 2000 can be anything in 2000 years. What do mean by pre-2000? Because although the early 90's had some really good music, I think almost everything from 1994-2000 sucked, i.e Limp Bizkit, Korn, etc. THere really is alot of great music out right now, and in the last 8 years, but you won't find it on top 40's stations. In boston we're lucky to have a lot of independant radio stations that play some really phenomenal music, you just have to look for it. Most of the rock on commercial radio stations is the same cookie cutter pseudo/quasi whiny punk music. I mean, I remember a few years ago reading that Ashley Simpson's album was #1, I remember thinking that must be one of the signs of Apocalypse. I think people look back at the 60's/70's/80's with rose colored glasses on. Sure there were alot of great bands and albums, but if you think about it, there were a lot more garbage too, just like now (remember hair bands). I agree with the person who said alot of guitar virtuosos make boring music. I listen to Steve Vai, and can appreciate his skill, but that's all it is, skill no soul. I'd rather listen to David Gilmore hold and shake a note for 8 seconds, than listen to a guy shred 120 notes in the same time. I always prefered to hear guys like Slash back in the day, everything was feeling, compared to a guy locking his palm in place and flying through a few scales at lightning speed (Sweet Child o'mine solo, come on now, what's better than that.) Eddie Van Halen really opened up a new school of guitar playing, unfortunately, he also spawned alot of imitators that were mediocre at best. I have to say though, I'm hearing alot more of "Guitar Players" coming back. I personally think John Mayer is kind of a douche, and his songs are kind of chicky, but at least he's introducing blues guitar to people who may not have given it a chance before. I think if you think about it, you'd have to agree with at least a few things I've said.....Or not.


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windwalker9649 wrote:
. I always prefered to hear guys like Slash back in the day, everything was feeling, compared to a guy locking his palm in place and flying through a few scales at lightning speed (Sweet Child o'mine solo, come on now, what's better than that.) .


Back in the late 1980's I was in LA looking for a band to join while reading (if I remember right) the "Music Connection". I don't solo particularly fast, btw. There was an add looking for a guitarist. It said something like: If you can't play 8 notes to the beat with the metronome set at 160, don't waste our time.
No mention of any other trait or tallent.
I didn't call.

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Nowadays exist some good music. But in general nothing compares to before 2000's

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You hear kids talk about how DragonForce is amazing, and you hear how Fall Out Boy is[i] good, and how (even though this doesn't really relate to guitar) rap and hip hop today is just plain BALLIN'.. it just isn't and they just aren't. In my opinion, that is.

I grew up on The Beatles, and I still consider them the greatest band ever. Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin, other great guys, probably tied with The Beatles.
I actually had this horrid thought: what if we are running out of music?! What if all that's left is bad stuff?! :?

This, of course, is nonsense. The mainstream artists today are lazy or untrained. If you can't tell, I personally listen to classic rock.
Although, indie music is pretty good, also. Bands like Iron and Wine, Of Montreal, Chad Vangaalen. It's pretty good stuff, but nothing compared to the 60's and whatnot.

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telenado wrote:
man, you guys putting frusciante in the lanes of those "virtuosos" are killing me... have you heard his solo $@!&? it's more about how the lyrics pose over the tone. sure, he lashes out with all six occasionally, but it's more about good songs. How about his soloing on TMV's Frances the Mute? or all of his guitars on TMV's Amputechture.

i would consider today's music to be like the 90's and the 80's mixed. everyone's rehashing the 80's like it was cool, but putting the dirt from the 90's in it. i always think of bloc party, or 311. i was born in the 80's but grew up on 50s, 60s, & 70s. as the 90's approached, i veered off into "alter-nation" and started grooving the nirvana, pearl jam, early 311, rhcp, at the drive-in, etc. now i see even those bands (not nirv obviously) going down really bizarre, even over-border cheezy roads.

my main highlights from the 2000's have been 311's Soundsystem/From Chaos, RHCP Californication, Frusciante's solo work, Mars Volta - Deloused/Frances, and ATDI Relationship of Command. The $@!& that's really restored my faith in where the sound is heading is blues revival stuff like White Stripes and Black Keys. To die for.

Anyways, nothing will beat late 60's and the early 70's, but we should still try :)
..Are you saying Fruschante isn't a virtuoso?

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Disco's appearance made music ill in the 80's and it has gone straight down hill from there.

Musically the late 60's and 70's were the best of times to live through :D.

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I have a theory: drugs influence the music of an era.
Alcohol and pot until the '60's.
Then acid into the '70's.
Then coke ruined music.

I stopped doing drugs many years ago. I can acually REMEMBER how to play songs now!

I wonder how music is gonna sound when everyone is using Viagra?

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I wonder how music is gonna sound when everyone is using Viagra?


HARD. :shock:

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Todd Montgomery wrote:
I wonder how music is gonna sound when everyone is using Viagra?


HARD. :shock:


Good one.

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As I always say, there are only 2 kinds of music - good & bad. While genres & eras help us locate music I hate to term music anything other than good or bad. Good music has always been around and it still is today. Unfortunately, the same can be said for bad music. What determines the difference between good & bad is a matter of opinion i guess - but to me i say bad music is mostly made up of "artists" who seem to promote a commericial image & commercial actions more than focusing on their music - and they all sound alike to me. To sum it up - "Commercial Sellouts". There seems to be a lot out there today, however I mostly blame it the one-hit-wonders of rock 'n roll's early days. All in all they are all a waste of what talent they have IMO.

But the good news to me is there are still some great artists out there today - my current favorite from modern times has to be The Derek Trucks Band. I do favor the music of years gone by but I listen to all eras so I voted about the same for the reasons above.


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My 2 cents,
I personally love the late 60's 70's and early 80's. The Who....... The Beatles....... Led Zeppelin.....Pink Floyd..... Good old Southern Rock bands Allman Brothers, Lynrd Skynrd,38 Special, Molly Hatchet, etc. Most of that style has been absorbed into modern Country music and you see it in most of the new acts out today. I don't listen to alot of modern Bands today except maybe John Mayer or some of the other so called virtuosos.

In other words I'm like C... wheere's my Walker......

PS Check out Lincoln Brewster he's gotta some good licks.

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I think this quote can sum up what a lot of modern music sounds like:

"a six-foot pile of transistor radios (each one tuned to a different station)
Frank Zappa - Studio Tan

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I couldn't agree more. You've pretty much summed up the way I feel. One big thing that loved about the 60's stuff was all the new sounds. Wawa pedal - fantastic! Reverb and tremeloe - outstanding. I even remember stereo (when it was new), listening to Led Zep and blowing my mind! It wasn't all brand new, of course, but it was just comming on to mainstream.

Because, nowadays we can manufacture any sound, (and any visuals in movies), it seems to have lost that magic. Or maybe we just take it for granted.

One thing for sure, we certainly have no shortage of talent, and for that I'm thankful.

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Because, nowadays we can manufacture any sound, (and any visuals in movies), it seems to have lost that magic. Or maybe we just take it for granted.

Gridlok


+1 from me too. Personally, I hate synthesized (manufactured) sounds. Give me the real instruments anyday. I even hate modeling amps. My EC strat & a tube amp can cover an entire show with a variety of sounds without the gimmicks. Also + 1 to Todd about the 60's - a perfect 10 from me as well.


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