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You didnt get it from reverb in birmingham did you? The guy above that shop who i suspect sets their guitars up is a clown.


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nikininja wrote:
You didnt get it from reverb in birmingham did you? The guy above that shop who i suspect sets their guitars up is a clown.


Yeah, can't fix stupid, can you? I'd just exchange it for another then.

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Nah the replacement will be setup by him too. I know a few good fellahs in that area though.


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You can take it to any fender approved repair place. Not just the place you bought it.

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Nah the replacement will be setup by him too. I know a few good fellahs in that area though.


However, the guitar really should not have come from Fender with a nut high enough to cause the strings to go sharp at low frets. That's nothing to do with the shop's setup, no matter how bad the tech is.

The Earvana may be a nice mod in due course. But if this guitar is under warranty it has to be fixed fit for purchase first. As has been said, any Authorised Fender Dealer can do the job, not just the shop where it was bought. This page will help find a dealer:

http://www.fender.co.uk/dealerfinder/index.php

It is not a biggy: get it fixed under warranty and don't hang about. Then take it from there...

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All straight nuts produce sharp and flat notes within the first 8 frets. If your nut meets Ceri's measurement method your definatley hearing the low end of the neck inaccuracies. Personaly i think you should take the guitar to another fender dealer have it checked over then if need be, the BF or earvana system installed by them. In the past i found some guitars intonate worse than others on the low frets and that some intonate better with a stupidly high action.


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If the strings are sitting too high in the nut slots the notes in the first three frets will be sharp. the neck must have to correct amount of relief and the intonation has to be set correctly. the nut slots have to be cut so that they are anled slightly back toward the headstock in order to make sure that the string leaves at the very front edge of the nut facing the fingerboard. Using 10 to 46 or heavier strings helps intonation problems. Some people with strong hands have to use a lighter touch or at least be aware that they can press the strings a bit too firmly and make the strings go slightly sharp. Taking the guitar to a good guitar tech and letting him to your technique before he does a fine tune on the guitar is good. A compensated nut as mentioned here by others is a good idea. A guitar can't be perfectly tuned, it will still be a slight bit out all over the fingerboard but little adjustments will ehlp keep it to a minimum.


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If the strings are sitting too high in the nut slots the notes in the first three frets will be sharp. the neck must have to correct amount of relief and the intonation has to be set correctly. the nut slots have to be cut so that they are anled slightly back toward the headstock in order to make sure that the string leaves at the very front edge of the nut facing the fingerboard. Using 10 to 46 or heavier strings helps intonation problems. Some people with strong hands have to use a lighter touch or at least be aware that they can press the strings a bit too firmly and make the strings go slightly sharp. Taking the guitar to a good guitar tech and letting him to your technique before he does a fine tune on the guitar is good. A compensated nut as mentioned here by others is a good idea. A guitar can't be perfectly tuned, it will still be a slight bit out all over the fingerboard but little adjustments will ehlp keep it to a minimum.


Listen to this one, this person knows what they're talking about. :wink:

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A guitar can't be perfectly tuned, it will still be a slight bit out all over the fingerboard but little adjustments will ehlp keep it to a minimum.


Too true. As i mentioned even with a compensated nut you will get notes that are slightly sharp or flat.

On a side note. Whilst visiting a very learned friend (who's ear i've always found to be as near perfect as any) earlier today our conversation came round to compensated nuts. He informed me that orchestra's are never spot on intune to each other. If you play the octave C's on a profesionaly tuned piano they too are way out. That piano's are infact tuned to a tempered scale. He went on to explain how the first electronic keyboards were rejected by musicians because they were tuned perfectly. Even brass and woodwind instruments rely on lip pressure to form flat or sharp notes.


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If you play the octave C's on a profesionaly tuned piano they too are way out. That piano's are infact tuned to a tempered scale.


Indeed. We all require a "Well-Tempered Clavier"...

More frightening still, on Renaissance lutes the frets are (sometimes? always?) made of gut which encircles the neck and is moved up and down to retemper the instrument depending on which key is being played. What a headache! One - but not the only - reason I didn't get beyond merely listening to the lute...

This friend of yours go by the name of Alan, by any chance, Niki?

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yeah thats him. Whenever i see him i come away enlightened.


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The corollary to all of this (and who wants to hear it?) is that if you say you can tune your guitar perfectly what you're really saying is that your ears aren't sensitive enough to hear the imperfections.


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Have any of you guys experienced that sometimes your ear is "better" than others?


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It certainly raises more questions then it answers, mostly to do with perfect pitch hearing. I trained my ear to hear open low E for years and ive got it pretty much there. Now the saying goes 'he who has perfect pitch hears intervals'. lets take the minor 3rd interval in the key of E, it gives us the note G. Which G mi 3rd does said perfect pitcher hear. 10th fret a string, 5th fret D string, or open G. They wont all be exactly the same. Like i said before the earvana sorts alot of the problem out but its still slightly sharp or flat in places.


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Biloxi23 wrote:
Have any of you guys experienced that sometimes your ear is "better" than others?

Not anymore. The day where I can hear the same things as I did at 20 are gone. As you get older so does your hearing ability all the years of music and shooting firearms even though I wear my ears while at the range but no ear protection when in the woods takes its toll. I can pick out when someone plays something wrong that I no but I dont think I can pick out the suttle things as good as I used to.

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