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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:06 pm
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You think what separates SRV from EC (as if those were "all the greats") is their "tone?"

Furthermore, do you think Clapton's "tone" sounded the same at The Last Waltz as it did at the Fillmore... as it did on EC Was Here... as it does RIGHT NOW? Well, it didn't and doesn't. There's no "signature" there except his PLAYING... his phrasing, his note choices, his singing legato, his sense of time - which is immediately recognizable. If you played for 10 minutes each through Clapton's rig and SRV's, I couldn't tell you which was which. If either one of them played your guitar through your amp for 30 seconds, I'd know them in a heartbeat.

It isn't "tone." It isn't gear. It's nothing you can "pursue" or buy in a store. This elusive quality you're talking about only comes from one pursuit, and that is musical practice.

FLSM, I see you understand.
Jim you missed my point completely, obviouly you like to spar. Theory and practice are very important. It was a question " What satifies your Tone Hunger." Which you have never answered. Maybe your're tone deaf. All the Signature Strats have the same tone, All music the same tone...right Jim? Knowledge,technique to name a couple qualities does divide the musicians. So go ahead and spar some more. I have better things to do. Go ahead get the last post. I won't reply to you again.

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Speaking of tone, can we all pull together and get this particular thread to return to a friendly tone so that I won't have to lock it? Thanks ever so much! :D

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:03 pm
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#1StratMan, it is possible to have a disagreement without getting personal.

I'm not "tone deaf" (which doesn't mean what you think it does). I make my living as a composer, producer and performer of commercial music, and I'm very good at it.

ALso, I'm not "sparring." I'm disagreeing with you. There's a difference.

My point is not that "tone" doesn't matter. My point is that this gear-based "tone quest" is no different than any other purchase-based hobby (which is why I made that snarky remark about model railroading), that it's not different than any other form of G.A.S., and that it is basically anti-musical.

Tone is 85% player, 10% amp and 5% guitar, as a friend of mine says, and you produce good musical tone not by this commonly romanticized "quest," but by learning to play your instrument real well.


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E.J. strat ,59 bassman 4x10 ,roto-vibe by dunlop pretty sweet tone


I love it. The perfect rig...in my humble opinion. I've played my EJ thru a bassman a few times. It's just a religious experience.

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thanks cstrat just to clarify the bassman is the reissue released last year.but its still the pine box groove tubes and paper speakers. sometimes the guitar does sound like a harp did i mention the cabinet is finger-joined thus that incredible resonant tone


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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:33 am
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Get a Klohn overdrive and rebuild from there. Look for vintage pedals on E-Bay or whatever. Mainly go for handwired hand built pedals.


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I love the sound that I have, with this set-up, but I doubt I'm through with my search by far. i bought the Vox because it was tube amp at a $1000 bucks, about what i wanted to spend at the time and my friend who has played since the 60's had great feelings about the Vox, even the Chinese ones were good he said.

I'm hoping to get a Klohn Overdrive someday and maybe a volume pedal and Wah. The Gibson shop nearby has some handwired 61's that I would like to hear and try.

When i get the Amp I want I may go with a Savage or some other boutiqe amp. I want a bluesy sound and want to be able to play some rock as well.

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I wish I could afford a Vox AC30. I'm running my strat through a Big Muff pedal, a cheap digitech EQ pedal and my Line 6 spider II amp, through a Marshall 4x12 cab. I achieve most of the tones I like except for a nice warm tone from the neck pickup. I had a hotrails put into the bridge of one of my strats to get that mean metal sound :twisted: . And my other strat has stock pickups, which I use for my blues and classic rock stuff.


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Post subject: Player is major influence on tone.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:31 am
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When I started out last year, I had a $70 guitar and a $70 amp. It sounded like dung(when i played it). One day a dude came by and played it and I'll be %^^&$$#, It actually sounded pretty good. I guess i'm better now, than, then and have good equipment,but the player controls the tone.

Aaron Loesch, the winner of the King Of The Blues(Guitar Center) played a Montgomery Ward or (some other old cheap acoustic) and it was wicked check it out if the vidoes are still up on You tube.

Great equipment is necessary though as anyone knows. The dudes that were "sparring" own quality equipment you can bet on that.

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[quote="Gravity Jim"]#1StratMan, it is possible to have a disagreement without getting personal. 1st of all Gravity Jim I would like to clear the air and apologize for my comment. It was both out of line and unacceptable. I truely apologize. Down the same lines you have made some harsh comments yourself, which you have edit from your last post. We both know which one I'm referring to. For you do not know where I have studied, what level of degree I possess, the number of degrees I possess,my accomplishments,or even how I make a living. We both should have been more professional.
Where there's two people with 2 different view points-there will be an argument.

Due to the demeanor of your comments I believe you were sparring. Disagreeing is one thing, but when accompanied with snide remarks to get emotions stirring-that's sparring. Disagreeing is opposing view points executed properly.

I understand your point and I totally agree. I never once said tone should be at the top of any musicians/artists list. I agree with your point about one's style,technique,musicial knowledge to name a few qualities will distinguish one artist from another.

Tone is an element though that enhances music. There is a different tone for every finger style. Let me make a crazy example,no one shoot me. If EC went to jam with Metallica he would have to change his tone,but his technique,knowledge,etc. would not change. Understand what I'm trying to get at?

My one question to you Gravity Jim, is if tone is not a big concern of yours-why even post on this topic.

I was hoping for technical decussions such as: EQ signals in & out, changing configuration,mixing-things of that nature. Not a debate.
I play a variety of music from Jazz to Metal. One basic tone won't cut it with me. Take care Gravity Jim :D

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Ya know, to me tone is really relative. Some people like their guitar's to sound like buzz saws and others love the clean tone of a Twin. There is no right or wrong when it comes to tone. Tone is bringing the sound in your head out thru performance. If you can do that, then you're doing just fine.

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Imho, and compared to many of you I can hardly play even though I've been at it off and on for maybe 25 years, the beauty of a Stratocaster is the versatility. Personally, I like a clean full tone, and I can get it out of a $50 solid state amp and my Highway One, although I've got to set it up right, and the volume's not very high. I prefer to play with cheap equipment and make the most of it instead of buying a lot of super expensive equipment and then not being able to play it. It's easy for me to get the full, clear tone I like with a Stratocaster even through a not-great amp. (The Blues Jr. will be better but then that's another negotiation and I'll probably have to buy some jewelry first.)

One thing I've realized, though, after investing in the 60th Highway One recently is that especially for the guitar you need to put the money in to get a real good quality instrument. Imho, get a real Stratocaster, either a good Mexican or an American. I'm very glad a sprang for the American Highway One because a guitar is something you play every day if you're into it and it needs to be right. It's not just about the tone although that's a big part of the gratification of playing - hearing that it's good. To develop as a musician you need an instrument that enables rather than being a barrier.


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