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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:22 am
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"Tone" is for people who can't make interesting note choices. :D

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HEY SCELESTUS the guitar that appears by your posts looks like a showmaster i am couriuos if you have one and how like if you do . i have ordered and are currently waiting for one from the custom shop. honeyburst quilted hardtail


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HEY SCELESTUS the guitar that appears by your posts looks like a showmaster i am couriuos if you have one and how like if you do . i have ordered and are currently waiting for one from the custom shop. honeyburst quilted hardtail


It might be. It could be a custom HH FMT. We aren't allowed our own avatars here so I picked one that was as close to my spalted maple HH tele as I could find.


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I use a Tubescreamer and a '65 DRRI. Satisfies my hunger..... for the time being. And it's simple.


+1. And lately I've been adding an English Muff'n to make my '65 DRRI sound like a plexy when I want to sound like Jimi or Beano.


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THANKS SCELESTUS i was woundering how that feature worked


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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:34 pm
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Hi, There has been some great replies to my deep question. To the ones that modify their guitars and the ones that understand that Perfect Tone is not an easy achievement- We are on the same page! There is no simple formula for the "perfect tone" maybe for basic standard tone there is. Reaching the perfect tone is an adventure,indeed.

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:56 pm
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#1StratMan wrote:
There is no simple formula for the "perfect tone"....


That's because it doesn't exist.

"Perfect tone" for what? For funk rhythm? For copying SRV? For jazz, for blues, for country? Is there a perfect tone for playing all night in an 80s covr band? For smooth jazz or Steely Dan leads?

Seriously, "tone" is too often pursued as a replacement for "music."


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The Perfect Tone as for one's individual type of music what ever it may be.
Artists are always working on their tone. If they stop improving they become stale. Wouldn't you agree?

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No, I don't.

There are so many more important things for a musician to work on - harmonic knowledge, melodic sense, rhythmic sense, phrasing in solos, voice leading in chords, playing "clean," expanding one's vocabulary - that this silly idea of "tone" falls pretty far down on the list.

Frankly, the stalest guitarists I know are the ones who are always chasing "tone" by buying or building or modding something. They fool themselves into thinking their playing is fresh with each new tonal change, but they're playing the same old stuff. I find the pursuit no more musical than building a set of model trains.


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I like to have versatility with my set up. Line 6 Flextone III is incredible, can get great authentic amp tones ouf of it and a DF-7 Distortion Pedal from Digitech modeling 7 famous distort/overdrive pedals.


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Gravity Jim if your statements were true about tone then why do to all the greats have a Signature Tone that separates them from the others. SRV doesn't sound like EC. Why do artists thrive to separate their Tone from the norm. If Tone isn't important why do musicians bring more than one guitar to a recording session- FOR DIFFERENT TONE!

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hahaha. well said gravity jim. couldn't agree more. although i think obtaining a 'tone' that makes your music sound better (which i think it can do- although as you say, to an extent no-where near that of increasing technical and musical knowledge) is worth obtaining. and im getting close to satisfied. i have a clean sound im perfectly happy with by combining my emerald hot rod deluxe with a deluxe strat or customised tele. to finish it off im looking at a better strat and a tubescreamer for distortion.

but anyways, tone is subjective. sometimes im playing funk, sometimes jazz, sometimes metal. each time everything needs to be adjusted anyway. AND my taste will vary from day to day. its endless. 'perfect tone' is an epic a thought as the size of the frikken universe.

those are my thoughts.

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You think what separates SRV from EC (as if those were "all the greats") is their "tone?"

Furthermore, do you think Clapton's "tone" sounded the same at The Last Waltz as it did at the Fillmore... as it did on EC Was Here... as it does RIGHT NOW? Well, it didn't and doesn't. There's no "signature" there except his PLAYING... his phrasing, his note choices, his singing legato, his sense of time - which is immediately recognizable. If you played for 10 minutes each through Clapton's rig and SRV's, I couldn't tell you which was which. If either one of them played your guitar through your amp for 30 seconds, I'd know them in a heartbeat.

It isn't "tone." It isn't gear. It's nothing you can "pursue" or buy in a store. This elusive quality you're talking about only comes from one pursuit, and that is musical practice.

FLSM, I see you understand.


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Right on about Clapton and SRV play differently. Clapton has an enormous reputation for guitar greatness, and relatively few monster hit songs. It makes me wonder if people who do not play can really appreciate what a phenomenal musician Clapton is. Turn on the ABC link to Mayer and Clapton playing crossroads, and you can hear it. Watch BB and Clapton play together, like they do a lot, and you can really hear that kinship of clear, beautiful playing. Those two are the real blues brothers, and even though BB is playing Gibson hollow-body humbuckers, and Clapton's on a solid Strat, they sound far more like each other than SRV ever sounds like either one. SRV has much more of a Hendrix feel going.


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I searched for (my) tone for a long time (everyone has their own tone and no one's is the same) changing pickups from old and new Fenders, to Dimarzio's, to Seymour Duncans, from S/S/S to H/S/S and only found it when I installed a set of Mark Knopfler Texas Specials. Now it screams the way I want it to! I use a Boss GT-6 and there are more tone options than you could possibly find in a lifetime! I play direct through our PA system with a Peavey Studio 12 for a monitor.

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