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Post subject: Lace sensors vs. noisless
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:04 am
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Im going to start a build (actually more of assembly) to replace my American Deluxe. I really liked the SCN's that were on it despite alot of opinions to the contrary. I have no experience with Lace sensor pickups, I'll eventually get to Guitar Center to try them out if they have something with them on it. Does anyone have them on their guitars? I read the the Gold are supposed to be closer to the typical classic single coil strat sound. Ary they? If i like them i'd probably go with the Gold in the neck and middle pickup (the neck position being the one I play 75% of the time), and the silver in the bridge because I understand they are supposed to have a hotter output. I don't play anything with real high gain, except for once in a while just for kicks. I play mostly blues, and some shimmery Gilmore like sounds, so that's the tone I'm looking for. I don't really want too much the vintage sound, vintage as in the thin tone( I know its blasphemous to say). Any opinions would be appreciated


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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:42 am
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I vote to Noisless :wink:

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:11 pm
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Hi there,

I have Lace Sensors gold on my Strat Plus. I like them a lot, I mean I love them! But can't comment on the Noiseless. The gold will give you a classic rock sound, not the best choice for a modern sound, but you looks aware about that.

If you want comments, I won't never change my Gold LS for anything else. Between colors now it's about taste.

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Post subject: Re: Lace sensors vs. noisless
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:40 pm
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[quote="windwalker9649"] Google Actodyne Industries and go into the Lace Website. There's an entire line of these "sensors" beyond the classic gold. The specs are there. The only Stratocaster carrying these presently is the Buddy Guy Artist Series MIA...not the Polka Dot.

This is not the first thread on this question and perhaps you ought to search the Forum and gather what has gone before.

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:34 pm
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I know there are more than just Gold, i was thinking gold because from what I gathered, those are supposed to be most Strat like as opposed to blue and red and purple etc. What I'm wondering is how the Gold stack up compared to either Vintage Noiseless, or SCN's


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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:10 pm
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I've used various lace sensors for like the last ten years or so, one different guitars, for various situations. I love them, but they fit my style very well and I can get a great tone out of them. They're not for everyone though. I know a lot of people love the noiseless though too.

I've used gold, silver and blue.

The silver I've used mostly in the middle, to fatten up that middle-tone-but-thin-sound spot, and for this I love it. Wouldn't trade that for anything. I had the silver in the bridge and I didn't like it at all myself. That silver in the middle is probably my favorite position on my strat, through mid-gain on a rectoverb's vintage channel, and that tone I can just play for hours and hours with.

The gold was nice, but I replaced those for a different sound.

The blue I've used on my neck, and it's great for that. It has a great warm tone, and suits the neck very nice for me.

My current set up (for about 7 yrs)....

- mia strat
- Seymour Duncan JB Jr on the bridge (that I can run humbucker, single, and a lot of in between). This gets me a great fat tone for any gain, even hi Mesa gain and sound wonderful.
- Silver in the neck. Makes this somewhat unused position the best tone for me.
- Blue on neck. LOUD compared to the other, and I have the set it lower to even the volume a bit. Give me a great, focused fat tone, and is awesome for that howling SRV tone when I need it.


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+ SCN's +

Installed Lace product on my last MiM, they had a problem and the Lace company would not even respond to my queries for support.

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I like the Fender Lace sensor...probably I'll go for them. I think that they discontineud the Plus line mainly because of economical reasons, and I consider these guitars the best that Fender made ever.


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The Lace Sensors could have the best tone in the world, but I would not buy them because I find them ugly on a Strat. Does anyone else think they look wrong without the poles?

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I think the black ones, with a black (or dark) pickguard looks less strange than the white ones.


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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:16 am
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russianracehorse wrote:
The Lace Sensors could have the best tone in the world, but I would not buy them because I find them ugly on a Strat. Does anyone else think they look wrong without the poles?

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I love them because of their "blind" look, I recall that Fender produced several guitars with pickups without poles, and nobody objected, it seems, one of the secret of the Lace sensor is that they have a peculiar shaped magnet with many little poles, that doesn't pull the strings down like the normal poles, that's the reason why you can place them as close as possible to the string.

If you take a allen wrench and you place on the pickup parallel to the strings, you don't notice any pull, while if you place it perpendicular, you notice the magnetic field...very interesting.


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Post subject: Re: Lace sensors vs. noisless
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:12 am
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[quote="windwalker9649"]: A further consideraton on your part might be the installation of the EMG-DG20 pickguard if your taste runs to playing Gilmour. The only issue is the placement of the battery which normally goes into the control cavity. On my suggestion, it has also been placed in the center of the trem rout after the removal of a spring but it may affect the performance of your trem block.

It would also be possilbe, in the guitar of which you speak, to rout the lower wall of the trem rout to accept the battery in the same fashion as the Clapton guitar. This is something I could not do at the time as the guitar in which I had it installed had the 'swimming pool' rout Fender was using at the time.

If you search my earlier posts you can find a detailed discussion of my impressions of that circuit. :wink:

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I have a Strat Ultra which is one of my most treasured guitars. I have Lace Sensors with white covers. The neck PU is BLUE, and has really a smooth jazz sound. The middle PU is a GOLD, and was to mimic the sound of an original Fender PU, however there is no noise, like my 1971 Stratocaster. The bridge PU is a "dually" type with two RED lace sensors, with a three way switch to switch each PU on/both/on configuration. This switch is in addition to the 5-way switch, which has more permutations of pickup selections.

I have not been able to find the schematic for the 5-way switch for my guitar on this site; the best I could find was the wiring for a Jeff Beck Stratocaster ( this guitar features an S-1 push button switch).

I bought this guitar in 1991 because the improvements on this guitar were all the RIGHT answers that improved a classic guitar, esp. in comparison to the 1971 Strat. This thing sounds so sweet.

If I want to have a clean distorted rock sound, I use the 1 position. If I want a jangly "classic" fender strat sound, I'll use either positons 2 and 4. But for a strong blues and jazz sound I use positions 3 and 5.

The guitar has a very full clean sound, sometimes almost humbucker-like. I would say it sounds like a supercharged Strat, esp. in position 5 and 3. Positions 2 and 4 sound in and out of phase, and I believe these are combined with the switchable 'dually' bridge, which can radically change the sound.

I can get a shimmery sound, ala Gilmour, easily. This a very loud but ridiculously clean, articulated sound. And with light distortion, it still has meat ...with ALL the gristle!!

WindWalker I applaud your choice of pickup, the LaceSensor.
They are truly underrated. There is a greater fullness of sound of the pickup, esp. in comparison to the original 1971 thin sounding Stratocaster of that time. PEACE.

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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:34 am
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[quote="qblue"]I have a Strat Ultra....

Your observations on the Ultra are timely, it being now a part of the Stratocaster legacy. Like wise are earlier posts on the Strat Plus and its pickup configurations as well as the Clapton , Guy, and 35th Anniversary guitars. The earlier Burton Tele had them and I have also commented on the first Tele-Plus which carried a unique circuitry incorporating a Blue at the neck and a Red Dually at the bridge. Likewise, Sam Ash's history pioneers the HB configuration in the Stratocaster with a model called the 48th Street Stratocaster of at least 10 years ago. It featured two Red Lace Duallys, neck and bridge.

As far as the theory behind the design of these pickups, their website provides an excellent overview. :wink:

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I've got a Gold in the bridge position of my strat, and while I like the sound, I find that it's not as warm sounding as I'd like it to be. Sounds somewhat sterile played clean, although it sounds great overdriven. I'm going to put the hot Tex Mex back in the strat, and keep the Gold for another guitar.


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