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Mind you, looking at that Wiki page I'm seeing something strange. Near the bottom they are writing ten million as 1,00,00,000. Is that American usage? My part of the world we write 10,000,000. Zeros always come in batches of three for us.


That is not American usage, ceri. It must be just a typo. That Wiki page indicates there are some European countries that use different numbering conventions, but not all as I mistakenly thought. It's all pretty strange, eh?

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That is not American usage, ceri. It must be just a typo. That Wiki page indicates there are some European countries that use different numbering conventions, but not all as I mistakenly thought. It's all pretty strange, eh?


Maybe, though I don't remember seeing it - I feel it would have jumped out at me if I had. And I've spent plenty of time in some of those countries it lists as using the point as a thousand separator. However, Mr Bluestube and others are probably going to post contradicting me.

I definitely have seen the space used as a separator where we use a comma. But I have traveled very widely in what they charmingly call the British Empire and I can't for the life of me remember seeing a middle point used for the decimal.

But I'm wide open to being put right on that...

They are absolutely right on one thing: that what you call a period we call a full stop - your one sounds very strange on our ears. Trying to remember why Lynn Truss said it was.

Probably along the lines of "you say tomato, we say tomato" I expect. There's a nice trans-Atlantic divergence on the use of the word "fanny" too, but I'd probably better not go into it on this family-friendly website. American visitors to Britain, take care!

Was this thread about guitars, somewhere way back?

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I believe Fender buys the decals in bulk and probably applies them as sequentially as is practical. We all know that even the year may not be correct because they try to use up all the decals. That was especially true back in the economics-over-quality CBS era.


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Oh, my Ceri, did you bring back memories of when this one got stationed in Scotland as an ignorant 17 year old. Pat her fanny, indeed. Another story I cannot tell....

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I believe Fender buys the decals in bulk and probably applies them as sequentially as is practical. We all know that even the year may not be correct because they try to use up all the decals. That was especially true back in the economics-over-quality CBS era.


Are you seriousss?? they went to that extent? :)


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I believe Fender buys the decals in bulk and probably applies them as sequentially as is practical. We all know that even the year may not be correct because they try to use up all the decals. That was especially true back in the economics-over-quality CBS era.


Are you seriousss?? they went to that extent? :)


Oh yeah, "E4" serial numbers, originally meant to be 1984, of course, were used into, like, 1988!

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I read they bought enough pots back in the CBS days to last them years :shock:

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I believe Fender buys the decals in bulk and probably applies them as sequentially as is practical. We all know that even the year may not be correct because they try to use up all the decals. That was especially true back in the economics-over-quality CBS era.


Are you seriousss?? they went to that extent? :)


CBS ran all of their companies that way. Some say they ran their businesses into the ground. :wink: They regarded themselves not as simply a TV and radio network, but as an entertainment company. But they got into businesses they didn't understand like baseball (Yankees, during the disastrous seasons of the mid-'60s until '73 when George rescued them) and musical instruments (Fender guitars & amps, Rhodes pianos, Rodgers drums, ARP synthesizers as well as a complete line of band instruments like flutes and tubas for schools and orchestras). At Fender, they kept trying to lower the per unit cost of guitars. The decals are just one example, bolting on necks with 3 bolts instead of 4 was another. Toward the end they came out with a Strat with just one tone control and put the jack where the 2nd control used to be. Over time sales plummeted and they sold the company for less than they paid for it (a lot less if you figure in the rampant inflation of the time period). I wonder how much they paid per decal back then. How much could they have been saving?


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PS Now what I really want to know is why Orvilleowner thinks Europeans write 500,000 as 500.000? Where's that urban myth come from?


You don't? Maybe it's the Russians that use a comma for the decimal place and periods for commas in many-zeroed numbers? Or is in Asia: the Chinese and Japanese and such?

The myth comes because I swear I've seen usage the opposite of what we use here in North America.

Maybe it's just the Norwegians ... or Swedes (I've been reading one too many Swedish Actuarial Journals ...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_point


Maybe someone somewhere does it - but we don't. Never seen it anywhere I've been, which includes most European countries. How could you tell which was the decimal point and which just a convenient visual seperator?

Mind you, looking at that Wiki page I'm seeing something strange. Near the bottom they are writing ten million as 1,00,00,000. Is that American usage? My part of the world we write 10,000,000. Zeros always come in batches of three for us.

"Two nations divided by a single language"...

Cheers - C


I think that was an error in typing. In the US we use ones, tens, hundreds, and thousands like every where else. And yes, Ten million is written as 10,000,000 except for the fool that typed in the info on Wiki. It just reinforces the need for a better school system here in the US. :)

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Oh, my Ceri, did you bring back memories of when this one got stationed in Scotland as an ignorant 17 year old. Pat her fanny, indeed. Another story I cannot tell....


Hehehe! Yes, I have a story along those lines - which I probably shouldn't write out here...

And the other way around: in Britain we call a pencil eraser a "rubber". Oh, the scope for merry misunderstandings when we travel in America!

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This system is bunk in my opinion, but if this system were to be how Fender grades the necks, then mine was a luck of the draw and slipped through quality control. My powerhouse is a "1", but it had some problems with the neck. Fretboard had some dried glue/putty on some spots that I could not get off. The putty/glue was wood matched by the way, but not close enough to not tell the difference. The fret wire had a cut by the E string, so when I do vibrato, the string would get caught in it. Frets are laid ok, but I really do think the fretwire itself isn't of great quality material. I know its a Mexican strat mid priced axe, but I hate the sound of the strings grinding against the factory unpolished frets everytime I do vibrato. It's like nails across a chalkboard. Soundwise, I've never had a Fender that sounded like $@!. Needles to say, I returned it.


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My powerhouse is a "1", but it had some problems with the neck. Fretboard had some dried glue/putty on some spots that I could not get off. The putty/glue was wood matched by the way, but not close enough to not tell the difference.


I believe that stuff is used at the factory to fix dings/holes/flaws in the rosewood.

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My powerhouse is a "1", but it had some problems with the neck. Fretboard had some dried glue/putty on some spots that I could not get off. The putty/glue was wood matched by the way, but not close enough to not tell the difference.


I believe that stuff is used at the factory to fix dings/holes/flaws in the rosewood.


As well as maple fret boards too I see. Why this left the factory in that condition and not stamped factory 2nd or sold as a 2nd, I have no idea. Blemishes are blemishes and this was unacceptable.


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I've never seen that putty on a maple neck.

Can you take a picture to show us?


The stuff seems like an epoxy to me.

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orvilleowner wrote:
I've never seen that putty on a maple neck.

Can you take a picture to show us?


The stuff seems like an epoxy to me.

I am with you orv. I have not seen that before. I would be curious as to what it is.

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