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The 4th character on my MiM's serial No. is 2. However, I'd rate it a little higher than that. :wink:


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how would they arrive at the overall tonal quality of the guitar without having it strung and playing.

It could be something as simple as an assembler's grading sheet that scores against a set criterion for possibly ... and I am just throwing this out ... matching of wood grains, positioning of wood grains, glue seams, etc. It is very plausible to think that Fender has established some types of body traits that have historically resulted in favorable instruments.

Look, I started this thread , and I am not sure I am biting on this either. It is plausible, though ... definitely plausible. That's as far as I am willing to go anyway...

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01GT eibach wrote:

Look, I started this thread , and I am not sure I am biting on this either. It is plausible, though ... definitely plausible. That's as far as I am willing to go anyway...


All the possibilities that you listed are very feasible. 01GT i'm not trying to have a go at you mate, im not that way inclined. You like any of us can be corrected or proved right, i was stating my point of view not having a pop at you please dont take it as such.

Infact thinking about it, of course certain pieces of wood are graded. A,AA,AAA etc with maple tops. It makes sense that they could if they choose grade necks the same way. Or any other piece of wood by looking for things that they know work, or know dont work well. Although the A,AA etc grading of maple is more to do with figuring of the grain. Whether they could state the tonal qualities of the guitar from the first stages of neck and body construction is dubious but not impossible.


Opened a real can of worms here mate :D


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I'm not trying to have a go at you mate.

Dude, we're cool. I did not take your post that way at all. Sometimes my posts can sound a little too clinical. If anything, my bad...

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nah sod it mate lets just put it down to a bad situation and forget about it.


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In fact thinking about it, of course certain pieces of wood are graded.


And that grading information is taken into account in the List Price of the guitar. They use better woods in the more expensive MIM guitars than in the less expensive.

Even the MIA guitars are that way. The Highway One bodies have more pieces than the Standards ... and they pick the best woods for the Custom Shop items, but then charge more accordingly (since the better, higher grade woods cost Fender more).

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And that grading information is taken into account in the List Price of the guitar. They use better woods in the more expensive MIM guitars than in the less expensive.

With all due respect, I think you are little off the point. Whatever the "wood grading" process is, it is clearly done up front so that each manufacturing point (MIA, MIM, CS) gets their allotted "bulk wood". And ... it really is not even what we are talking about.

But, regarding your point ... You say the more expensive MIMs get better wood than cheaper ones. Do they? Or ... does a red MIA std get better wood than a red MIM std? It is not a stretch at all to think it doesn't.

But ... in the end ... I think I really regret starting this thread. It is just endless conjecture on a process with millions of reasonable plausibilities. Until someone actually KNOWS something, I propose we let the thread die. Okay ... I am done typing today. Time to play my Strat...

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I think there's a lot of truth that that!

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Back to the point then.

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What would be the point for them (of a tonal quality grade) anyway? They do all this, take this time, and charge no more for the better guitars? And especially on a MIM that costs them like $100 to make?!


These are the questions that haven't been answered and are the best argument against that "myth."

Yes, they use better (read more expensive) wood on the higher end MIM models than the lower end Standard MIM models. My point was that Fender charges more for guitars that have better wood, hence, they would certainly charge more for guitars with certifiably better Tone!

Has anyone sent an email to the good folks at Fender customer relations to ask about this?
Or Brad?

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I think it is bunk. Like has been said many different ways, Why do it?
Maybe we are going to see the 10 Top Tonal :shock: No thats PRS 10 Top
Well I will just stick to the thought that its bunk because there is no good reason to do such a thing. The cost would prohibit the extra work and time, and if it were to be done Fender would have to pass the cost along to the consumer as a matter of good bussiness sense. Plus they would publisize it as such to warrent the extra cost to the public.

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I think it is bunk. Like has been said many different ways, Why do it?
Maybe we are going to see the 10 Top Tonal :shock: No thats PRS 10 Top
Well I will just stick to the thought that its bunk because there is no good reason to do such a thing. The cost would prohibit the extra work and time, and if it were to be done Fender would have to pass the cost along to the consumer as a matter of good bussiness sense. Plus they would publisize it as such to warrent the extra cost to the public.


Exactly. WHAT IS THE POINT?? So Fender can do all this work, catalog every nuance in their lowest end guitars, devise, track and maintain a tone numbering system, and don't tell anyone where they can (and SHOULD) make more money from?

Why? Just so they can sit quietly somewhere and "know" that all this work was done for absolutely no reason to the consumer, and not making them a penny more? Are they sitting somewhere looking at stats saying "Hey, we sold 100 more #1's today! WHHOPPEE!!! (high five). Too bad nobody knows they got the good ones, or ever will. Boy I feel so much better now! Great job, team!"

Crap. Pure crap. No reason, no motivation, no sane call for doing any of this. At least none that I've heard as of yet.


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But ... in the end ... I think I really regret starting this thread.


Hey, don't regret it! At the very least you've given everyone lots of enjoyment over a particularly long-running thread.

Even better, in 20 years time you'll read kids discussing this theory on a Forum somewhere and you'll be able to have a private little smile and think to yourself: "Ha! I started that one!"

Cheers - C

PS Now what I really want to know is why Orvilleowner thinks Europeans write 500,000 as 500.000? Where's that urban myth come from?


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PS Now what I really want to know is why Orvilleowner thinks Europeans write 500,000 as 500.000? Where's that urban myth come from?


You don't? Maybe it's the Russians that use a comma for the decimal place and periods for commas in many-zeroed numbers? Or is in Asia: the Chinese and Japanese and such?

The myth comes because I swear I've seen usage the opposite of what we use here in North America.

Maybe it's just the Norwegians ... or Swedes (I've been reading one too many Swedish Actuarial Journals ...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_point

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PS Now what I really want to know is why Orvilleowner thinks Europeans write 500,000 as 500.000? Where's that urban myth come from?


You don't? Maybe it's the Russians that use a comma for the decimal place and periods for commas in many-zeroed numbers? Or is in Asia: the Chinese and Japanese and such?

The myth comes because I swear I've seen usage the opposite of what we use here in North America.

Maybe it's just the Norwegians ... or Swedes (I've been reading one too many Swedish Actuarial Journals ...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_point


Maybe someone somewhere does it - but we don't. Never seen it anywhere I've been, which includes most European countries. How could you tell which was the decimal point and which just a convenient visual seperator?

Mind you, looking at that Wiki page I'm seeing something strange. Near the bottom they are writing ten million as 1,00,00,000. Is that American usage? My part of the world we write 10,000,000. Zeros always come in batches of three for us.

"Two nations divided by a single language"...

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I am thinking someone just did not hit the 3rd. zero.

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