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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:42 pm
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Hey O the thing thats get me is even if you look at the pics of the Factory tour you will see the necks are finished before they are put on the body. On the pictures you can even see the serial numbers on some of the necks already. To see how good a neck is going to sound it would have to be mated up with its body which would also have to be finished. All the guitars do go to quility control and are checked but at that point they are done and they either pass or go for repair they already have serial numbers applied and finished over. :shock:

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Yes sir! The completed necks at the Mexican factory have the serial numbers on them.

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And you know why the fourth character is never more than a 4? Because they never make 500,000 (500.000 for our Euro-readers) guitars in a year! (In fact, I haven't seen a number greater than 2 in that position, but I haven't looked real hard.)

The first 100,000 have a "0" in that position, the next 100,000 have a "1," and so on.


MZ8123456 is a "typical number" ... ideally the 123456-th of 2008 in Mexico (but of course the numbers aren't strictly consecutive).

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01GT eibach wrote:
How about this? Do you want me to go back and find out how he knows this? Maybe I can ask him if he can decode any other digits or guitars?

To me it sounds perfectly plausible and reasonable, but my belief is based more on the reputability of the source.

Or is this all just too stressful on every one here ... :roll:


The dude at your local shop that told you this may sincerely believe that he was telling you is the gospel truth regarding the "tonal quality" digit in Fender serial numbers. Someone that he trusts told him the story so he believes it and passed it on (lots of people sincerely believe that Elvis is still alive too).

In all the literature I've read that has been published by experts, collectors, afficionadoes, and Fender when they "decode" guitars serial numbers a "tonal quality digit" has not been mentioned once. Sure I haven't read every book on Fender guitars but I do own quite a few. You'd think that if it were true, it would have been published by someone, somewhere.

Oh and re: M&M's yup, the green ones make you horny, and the brown ones make girls boobs bigger! 8)

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The completed necks at the Mexican factory have the serial numbers on them.

Okay, but that does not definitively establish anything at all. I highly doubt those necks are going to end up on some wildly random set of "just any" guitar bodies. No, clearly not random at all. But is it "not random" down to the point that each neck can only be mated with one git body? Ummm, maybe. Or maybe such that a "2" neck must be mated with a "2" body. Ummm, also "maybe". Or ... My point is that without really knowing Fender's exact serialization process, one can come up with an infinite number of reasonable manufacturing processes that would allow this.

HOWEVER... I am not sure I believe it either. And I don't want to come off as someone who is all gung-ho on this thinking "It has to mean this no matter what". All I am saying is that since this came from a reputable source, it should be reasonably discounted before it is written off as invalid. Interestingly enough, it hasn't ... which - to me -only gives slightly more credence for its potential credibility.

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... I do own quite a few. You'd think that if it were true, it would have been published by someone, somewhere...

Honestly … to me that is the first rational and cogent argument against this so far in this entire thread, dude.

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01GT eibach wrote:
How about this? Do you want me to go back and find out how he knows this? Maybe I can ask him if he can decode any other digits or guitars?

To me it sounds perfectly plausible and reasonable, but my belief is based more on the reputability of the source.

Or is this all just too stressful on every one here ... :roll:


Shop Owner: You did what? Started a huge chain on some forum about this? HA! I just made that up. You really believed that? WOOO! That's a good one! Some people! Er... but... I just "happen" to have some good "numbered" guitars here, if you would like to buy one (wink win). They're the best.....


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The mucky mucks at FMIC must be laughing their you know whats off at this thread.

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In the Jazz Bass MIM ?


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In the Jazz Bass MIM ?
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There is also the possibility that maybe I have been secretly infiltrated by one of the moderators over at the gibson.com forums. They could have been "shadowing" me before planting me with this misinformation to be eventually placed within the Fender forums . Oh, I would hate to find out that I am the victim of guitar-forum sabotage ... When I talk to "my contact", I will be carefully looking for signs of forum espionage and propoganda.

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The Gibbies are all around!

Do you hear that all the proceeds from green Gibson guitars are secretly used to fund terrorist camps? It's a secret conspiracy since the same shade of green is used in their flag. Also, if you hold these green guitars up to a black light, you can see very small cryptic symbols in the paint that point to the Freemason's lost treasure of Solomon.

I read it in a chain email so it must be true! But I had to forward that email to 100 of my friends so I didn't bring on some curse to myself where I'd get kidnapped and have my kidney stolen! Can't be too careful!!!


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dgonz wrote:
The Gibbies are all around!

Do you hear that all the proceeds from green Gibson guitars are secretly used to fund terrorist camps? It's a secret conspiracy since the same shade of green is used in their flag. Also, if you hold these green guitars up to a black light, you can see very small cryptic symbols in the paint that point to the Freemason's lost treasure of Solomon.

I read it in a chain email so it must be true! But I had to forward that email to 100 of my friends so I didn't bring on some curse to myself where I'd get kidnapped and have my kidney stolen! Can't be too careful!!!

So Green ahh :mrgreen:

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i dont know what to believe :?


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i dont know what to believe :?


Honestly , me neither and I started this thread!!! I saw the dude where I got this info again yesterday, but he was too busy for me to talk to him. Maybe this week I will be able to grab him and ask him what was his source for this info. I will say this, though., this dude is a guitar heavyweight who really knows his stuff... Stay tuned.

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I think you just enjoy stirring up a ruckus GT. :wink:

Maybe the tonal quality number indicates how close the individual MIM instrument comes to the superb tonal quality achieved by it's MIA brethren! :shock:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOTCHA!

J/K don't bring the hate.

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how would they arrive at the overall tonal quality of the guitar without having it strung and playing. I cant see how they would judge the tonal quality of either the neck or the body whilst the guitars incomplete. What would they do to arrive at such conclusions when the lacquering process comes after the serial numbering but as is widely agreed the lacquer makes a good sized tonal difference.
Leo did design the guitars to have interchangeable necks i for one believe mexico and corona make X amount of necks and X amount of bodies. These are they sent to a assembly line where joe blow reads his order sheet that says 100 sunbursts with rosewood boards, and sets about knocking out the set quota. when these are completed they are then sent for inspection and any that dont fit the bill are returned to a diagnostic dept.


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