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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:57 pm
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John Birch is currently working on a new guitar for tony iommi and a mate of mine is having the exact same model for £600. He can build anything and from what i've seen of his guitars their easily comparable to customshop fenders. If you can have what you want at 1/10th of the cost the price of a couple of flights to the home of metal is easily affordable. The last birch i played was a 1980 V with a 0.5 to 1.5mm action and no buzz. That guitars 28 years old and plays like it left the shop yesterday.


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NIKININJA: Tell ya what brother, that sounds pretty damn good to me. If this deal falls through, then I'll definetly consider it. I'm willing to pay fairly well for this one and remember if the list is $8,000, then I'm looking at a little over $4,000. If the list is $10,000, then I'm looking at a little over $5,000.

In all seriousness though...I'd love to be able to come over there for a week to visit and meet all you cool mother f!#$%rs! I'd most likely want to stay. I may be married...but I would miss my son (yeah I DID just say that :shock: ). In America, if you can't chew bubblegum and listen to metal, then people act like it's no good. The way I see it is (and people in Europe as well I'm sure would agree) if you CAN chew bubblegum to metal, then the dudes that are performing it should be suffocated in all of their fan's gum :twisted: . You get the point. Untrained/Uneducated idiots!!! Over your way you have luthiers and a fan base for technical metal. Where I live...it's all you can do to not CHOKE the bands that "THINK they're bands" and "laugh at the people that THINK they're luthiers." You're lucky mate.

I have a GUT feeling that whether you came here or I went over there...an ABSOLUTELY SICK band would be formed within hours. Maybe there's just something to that... :wink:

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Haha: not sure it's tactful to say so on Fender's website, but I could add one or two good names to Ninja's list. Though not at quite such a low price...

Meanwhile: how sad am I? I'm posting this from a hospital bed - brought in late last night with a suspected stroke. A ton of tests and scans later it seems likely much less serious: so nothing more important to do than try and learn how to use this in-bed internet system. Damn, this tiny keyboard is fiddly!

Seriously: get a life, Ceri...

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Haha: not sure it's tactful to say so on Fender's website, but I could add one or two good names to Ninja's list. Though not at quite such a low price...

Meanwhile: how sad am I? I'm posting this from a hospital bed - brought in late last night with a suspected stroke. A ton of tests and scans later it seems likely much less serious: so nothing more important to do than try and learn how to use this in-bed internet system. Damn, this tiny keyboard is fiddly!

Seriously: get a life, Ceri...

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Sorry to change from the OP but I'm worried about Ceri! Are you really in the hospital my friend? If so my prayers are with you and please let us know your condition on another post! Your friend Hop!! :?


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Thanks, Hop, that's typically nice of you.

It's been a different kind of day, to be sure. The paramedics and first wave of doctors in ED wondered about a (mild) stroke. However, the neurologists weren't so sure.

And since the previous post I've been for another brain scan. No sign of stroke damage - but instead they've discovered something called an arachnoid cyst on a part of the brain which may (or may not) explain the symptoms that brought me in here. ZZDoc can explain that if he wants: this tiny bedside internet system is too fiddly to type on!

But quite possibly not as alarming as it sounds. More tests tomorrow...

The important thing is it ain't going to keep me away from the Forum! Now let's see if I can get my wife to bring in a Forum T-shirt for a photo with the scanning machines for the competition thread... :D :D

Bye for now - C


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Thanks, Hop, that's typically nice of you.

It's been a different kind of day, to be sure. The paramedics and first wave of doctors in ED wondered about a (mild) stroke. However, the neurologists weren't so sure.

And since the previous post I've been for another brain scan. No sign of stroke damage - but instead they've discovered something called an arachnoid cyst on a part of the brain which may (or may not) explain the symptoms that brought me in here. ZZDoc can explain that if he wants: this tiny bedside internet system is too fiddly to type on!

But quite possibly not as alarming as it sounds. More tests tomorrow...

The important thing is it ain't going to keep me away from the Forum! Now let's see if I can get my wife to bring in a Forum T-shirt for a photo with the scanning machines for the competition thread... :D :D

Bye for now - C


I started a new post in the lounge for you to keep us informed! let the strat posters continue. :(


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I followed the posting...Now I'm still awaiting the quote :roll:! I just wrote another KILLER song that reminds me of 80's metal with a melody/solo that'll bring a tear to your eye. All composed on the Strat. Stuff like this won't get posted without collaboration (+ agreements signed) or a band...The other new stuff is so RIDICULOUS that I fear the worst for drummers and bass players!!! Now where's Tim ("The Ripper") at now??? I'm gonna be needin' that new Strat here soon!!! :twisted:

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Well it's been a very disappointing day to say the least. I finally got the call about my Custom Shop quote and all I can say is that I'm really NOT going to be a Fender fan anymore. They seem to refuse to do some of what I asked even if it were "master-built" (that's a joke term in itself speaking of Fender) and then comes the price :shock: :shock: :shock: ...$12,000+!!!??? They've got to be joking!!! My guidelines were far less severe than the Custom Shop Jackson that I designed (which is all about Shred metal) and they gave me a price of $4,500 for an axe that is 10 times what the Fender would've been in the first place. Yeah I still like my Strat (kind of), but it's time to move on to a company that actually appreciates REAL METAL TALENT and not just blues, country, jazz, ect. I'll be finishing up a new multi-track demo song called "Cut Loose" tonight on the Strat and after that, it'll be put back into it's case. Then I'll re-do it with a Jackson or an ESP and make it sound better anyway. After a long talk with my local shop, it seems that all that were involved share my opinion. Fender and Gibson's quality and pricing are completely ridiculous for what you get in the end...and all that really is, is a name on a headstock... :twisted:

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I got to say, when I read what you wanted, it didn't seem like it would have been a Fender strat at that point, I pictured way more of a Jackson, B.C Rich etc. You have to figure, that even their master built and so on are based off of existing templetes, too bad too. I was wondering; how do 10 gauge detuned down to D (or C for that matter) feel like. Im getting the image of really slacked strings, like Les Claypools bass strings. There must be so little tension on them. I dont know, I've never done that, let me know.


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Just bumping this thread to make a suggestion to Shreddin.

Now that Fender have officially declined to build exactly the guitar you want, even for $12,000 (!!!), I think it is reasonable to suggest alternatives, even here on the Fender website.

Shreddin, rather than go to another established company I strongly suggest you give the small luthier route a try. For the original $4,000 you were talking about I'd be amazed if you couldn't get exactly the instrument you are after.

And the process should be much more useful to a man of your exacting requirements, too. I hear about people visiting their luthier several times during building to try out various aspects, particularly the neck. Give it a play, talk to the builder about it, he goes away and shaves a touch more off in the places you require, etc etc etc. Like having a made-to-measure suit run up by a tailor. Then take the body to a custom auto painter and have that flaming skull from your webpage airbrushed on the front - how cool would that be?

I know for absolute certain that there are makers in my part of the world who could do a building job like that for you (with or without the paint job) within the price you are willing to pay. And if it can be done here then I'm sure that goes double for your country.

Shreddin, get onto Google and start searching out small luthiers. I'm sure that is the direction your ultimate guitar lies in.

Very best of luck to you - C


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Shreddin, rather than go to another established company I strongly suggest you give the small luthier route a try. For the original $4,000 you were talking about I'd be amazed if you couldn't get exactly the instrument you are after.


Does this "small luthier route" include, say, Warmoth or USACG? I don't recall what Shreddin was after, but I'd be surprised if he couldn't get the body and neck he wants and put it all together the way he wants it. Heck, look at the crazy doubleneck I put together (all I had to do was drill a few holes and do a bit of soldering)!

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Shreddin, rather than go to another established company I strongly suggest you give the small luthier route a try. For the original $4,000 you were talking about I'd be amazed if you couldn't get exactly the instrument you are after.


Does this "small luthier route" include, say, Warmoth or USACG? I don't recall what Shreddin was after, but I'd be surprised if he couldn't get the body and neck he wants and put it all together the way he wants it. Heck, look at the crazy doubleneck I put together (all I had to do was drill a few holes and do a bit of soldering)!


I have a foggy recollection Shreddin didn't want to go with Warmoth - can't remember why - or if that's right.

But I was just thinking that the one on one, face to face relationship with an individual human would serve him so well on things like the scalloped out cutaways he wants. It's that tailor-made service I'm trying to get him to investigate.

Many, many years ago I bumped into a Dutch violin builder in Chartres, France, who took me home and showed me his beautiful little medieval looking workshop. He said he never started a new violin till he'd finished the last one: otherwise he'd feel divided loyalties between them and might give one more loving care than another. (How charming!) While I was there a player from one of the big orchestras arrived to try out his new cello that was almost finished. He sat down and played a movement from a sonata - annoyingly I can't remember what it was.

Afterwards he and the fiddlemaker had a chat about the instrument and a list was made of tiny adjustments to be done before the varnish went on. Stuff that would be familiar to any of us about the fingerboard and neck shape, and also some things I didn't really understand about the tone - as far as I could make out the violinmaker was going to take the back off and reshape the inside of the soundboard a touch. I think that was it, anyway.

I just remember being a spectator on this whole scene and thinking it was the ultimate way to purchase an instrument. And for the money Mr Shreddin is willing to lay out I believe he could buy himself an experience like that, and a fabulous guitar at the end of it.

That's the fantasy I'm trying to push here, anyway...

Cheers - C


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I just remember being a spectator on this whole scene and thinking it was the ultimate way to purchase an instrument. And for the money Mr Shreddin is willing to lay out I believe he could buy himself an experience like that, and a fabulous guitar at the end of it.

That's the fantasy I'm trying to push here, anyway...

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Sadly thats not the case with fender apparently. You'll pay 1250000 for a stradivarius and 25000 for a strat. We've got it easy in comparison, even jeff beck who jams with nigel kennedy doesnt pay that for a plank. Kennedy wouldnt think twice about it though. In all fairness who are our modern rock gods when compared to the discipline of a typical city symphony orchestra player.


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You can buy a top of the line neck and a primo body from Warmoth and have them finished the way you want and they will tell you of any possable problems with the specs that you are looking to get before they send the parts. I have found they are very good at working with you on the phone and will walk you thru all your needs when building a guitar. Heck a couple thousand dollars you can have one serious axe
Quilt Maple body 350.00
Warmoth Pro neck 300.00
add your goodies as you will pickups, tuners. bridge, 800 to 1000 more you made your own custom and had fun doing it :D
When you order a finished body or neck from Warmoth the quality of what you get will amaze you. There qualty necks are as good as any you will get on a custom and there choice woods :D

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