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ok besides the looks of this antigua model aside for a moment........

does anyone own one?

i'd like to know about the sound and especially the playability?

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does fender make another model with ALL the same options without the finish colors of the antigua?


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Theres plenty of clapton options from productionline guitars to masterbuilt pieces. You will only find a clapton spec'd antigua burst on the clapton antigua. With the exception of the blackie tribute all clapton guitars have the same spec.

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They have one in my local music store and its been there for a few years. I don`t care for the color of it but I never heard it being played so I won`t comment on that. Its locked in a display case and seems like its going to stay there.


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Anguiga finish is not as bad as i thought it would be based on some of the comments here, but I would never spend my hard earned cash on it.

Feel of a guitar is important, but a guitbox looking how you want it to look is still super important, and although folks will tell you its all about the sound, thats not the full story!


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nikininja wrote:
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Theres plenty of clapton options from productionline guitars to masterbuilt pieces. You will only find a clapton spec'd antigua burst on the clapton antigua. With the exception of the blackie tribute all clapton guitars have the same spec.


can you tell me difference with the blackie vs all other clapton versions?


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About £20K if you can find one for sale.

Its a super accurate clone of Claptons black strat, right down to the dings and the cigarette burns.

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I felt i had to chime in.
There is one in my local Sam Ash and not only have i seen it i have held it.The trem is not black it is normal color of any Strat and the finish is amazing.
I would love to own one,but the price is very steeeep.
I wonder how many are left in the retail market as only 100 were made.


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They have one in the Sam Ash a few blocks from me behind a glass panel. I love it, my friend Mike finds it ugly. So this is a case of to each his own.


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ummmmm, not my color..... I have a pewter Clapton Strat. I really like the neck and the action is really, ah, low, soft and smooth....

I guess it could grow on me, but it just seems wrong for a Clapton Strat. I kind of agree, reminds me too much of a Made In Japan reissue. Now if they did one with AAA matched maple top and back in a nice burst with gold trim, that could be acceptable for a collector's guitar....

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They have one in the Sam Ash a few blocks from me behind a glass panel. I love it, my friend Mike finds it ugly. So this is a case of to each his own.


Hola mi compadre: Tu amigo Miguel tiene el razon. Esta muy feo!!..Tanto!!

Que nos regalen el Gris EC.. :!: :!:

Oh....Oh....I'm sorry... kindly forgive the oversight :oops: ....I digress....it's Saturday isn't it...Ahem!!!

the EC Gray....aka...Grigio Silverstone according to Ufboy.

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Here is photo of an Antiqua that I built and sold a short while ago. I found the body and matching Pickguard on eBay and bought it because I loved the vintage look. I never cared much for the color, reminded me of a refrigerator my parents once had. But it was a Warmoth body and guard and was exceptional in quality when I got it. I liked the look of the Rosewood neck better and used the large headstock 70's version. This one also had a matching strap and a really cool brown weathered leather case.

I remembered that this one had really great tone. I used a set of 60 RI Custom Shop Pups that came off a prior project and added a TBX Tone control. It also had a high mass trem block and chrome hardware. One important note, was that this one sold for a whole lot less than the one that became available shortly after I sold this in September of 2008. It was an experiment but I had to admit,l after it was done, it was really really cool looking. Many of the older vintage models have a yellowed weathered look from fading over the years which didn't do much for the color. This was pristine and the color was sharp. This is one color that you have to see up close and in person before you decide if you like it or not. It changed my mind.


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It certainly is a lovely effort and coincidently falls right into the middle of the complex issue of credentialing, counterfeiting, and fraud which we have been playing tennis with these past several days. Based upon the legal opinion I was given this morning, and your description of the build, it might be illegal for you to represent this instrument to be a Fender Stratocaster, and the logo on the headstock would be deemed inappropriate. Of course, a full disclosure on your part at sale might change the facts, but then, what about the next seller. And (here we go again) would it be considered unethical for you, or anyone after you to sell this guitar without full disclosure?

There's no malice in this commentary so please accept it in the spirit with which it is given. We may, in the ensuing time, come to learn a great deal about these matters to the benefit of all.

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I understand completely and since I have started to frequent these pages it is important to learn the distinction amongst the different players, buyers, collectors out there.

I always disclose completely each and every part of my projects along with photos of the project right from the bare body. Warmoth is a licensed Fender replacement body, and I completely disclose that the body used in this project is a Warmoth. I would want to disclose that fact because I find that for many of my buyers for the projects that I have built that had a Warmoth body, they found value in the body being a high quality replacement. Normally I used the Warmoth when I find something cool, or if there is a particular color that I'm working with that is hard to find on the secondary market. What I like to build is not normally found in one guitar so I locate and source each part to my liking to fit the design.

I understand the concern about the guitar being categorized as a factory Fender. I find that the most important part is that the neck be a bona fide Fender part. The neck on the Antiqua above is a real Fender USA neck. I NEVER EVER would consider a water slide decal on a licensed neck. I could probably sell the projects for a lot less money with a replacement neck and if I ever wanted to do that, the neck would go on there blank or I would design something of my own to represent a logo of sorts. I find that the Fender necks are critical and especially the USA necks. There are some great MIM necks but that seems to diminish the interest in the projects. So I buy USA necks and photograph the heel, the butt end and both sides of the headstock. I buy most of my necks as either part of a complete guitar or from a reputable dealer such as the Stratosphere on eBay. It's not the ideal business purchasing environment, but then again I'm not doing these to get rich. Most times they go for a bit over reserve which I usually peg at my cost, excluding labor.

All the other parts on this guitar are Fender USA parts and are photographed as well. I include the boxes, tags, etc from any new parts in the case along with a DVD of all the photos to the buyer to document what went in there. I always did this just as a matter to prove what I bought, but never really considered the complex issues that I have started to read about and has been mentioned above. I suppose it was good then that in my blindness towards these issues that I documented my parts carefully. I will make it a point to go out of my way to include even more data in the future.

Bottom line is that someone has to love the guitar and also be comfortable buying one that they haven't played. I have a high amount of 100% positive feedback so my references are positive from previous owners. That, I find, is critical.

I purchase more than I sell because of a particular GAS issue of my own. 75 and counting, or lost counting. Anything that I can learn from the experienced people here on THIS forum will only help me get better at my hobby. You would have to have read my complete description of my sale at the time to get a more accurate picture of my disclosure. The short reply I made earlier is certainly not representative of what I would include on a listing. It normally takes me two hours or more just to create the listing. I also add a Picturetrail link (now Photobucket because of cost) so I can add more pictures than the auction allows me to. Plus as you can see in the photo above, I try to take a decent photo. (My photo skills are still developing)

Thanks for the input and for the headsup on what a potential buyer may be looking for and also to assure that everything is properly disclosed. I suppose you have to develop a good reputation for that, and that takes time.


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Wow, thats a touchy subject. I must ask, when you assemble and sell an instrument, what price do you tend to go for when selling- I know this is rather diverse- but would you base your price on the components used for the build, or on the equivelant market price?

For example, if you built a strat loosely on a 60's design- using period correct components, but lets say you used a colour that niether is avail, or is extremely hard to find. It looks great and all, so would you base the price on a used MIM 60's or based on the componentry?.

For the end user, are you worried that perhaps they may forget or better still, sell it off as a genuine item?

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