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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster tone on an earlier model with a 3-way switc
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:31 pm
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Just to round out this conversation the truest examples of vintage strat tone you're likely to find on recordings will be Buddy Holly's stuff.

For my part, to reproduce that 'in-between' tone, your going to have to have all the bells and whistles. 3-way, as close to vintage pups and vintage wiring sans rwrp, alder body, maple neck, 7.5 radius, vintage trem/bridge, vintage frets.

For reference, check out alainlafrance's guitar he calls 'Buddy'. and stay clear of the fluorescents.

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:05 pm
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when you playin the midlands Telebass. I'll buy you a pint theres a kebab in it for you too if you put on a good show :D


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:12 pm
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Doc you'd also need buddys amp model with NOS parts. With periodicaly correct speaker and solder. Now nevermind the guitar price that amp would buy you a couple of 58's.

Still, its nice to know i'm not wrong about what i heard on the 3way. I'm feeling a bit chuffed now :)


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:27 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Still, its nice to know i'm not wrong about what i heard on the 3way. I'm feeling a bit chuffed now :)


I'll have to try that balancing act on some of my oldies.
I've never been a big user of those in-between positions.

I'm a neck pickup man, actually.

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:45 pm
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I go with the middle and possitions 2&4. I like the neck when i'm on my own but found it far too bassy and scooped for live work, whilst the bridge was far too trebley and honky. I settled for the mid possitions. Old habits die hard eh. The only reason i use a 5way is for live work is i'd hate having to try and balance between pickups live. The 5 way has its uses. Its not the ultimate tone machine but then again anyone who hears us play knows no different. People seem to forget that we spend more time with our guitars than anyone else does, and get used to all of its nuances. As such everything we hear on our guitars is negligable, but means the world to some of us atleast.


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Regarding the last two posts: always glad to hear about people who don’t just sit on the bridge pickup all the time…

And regarding what you said, Doc: on my forthcoming project I have all the specs you listed, save the middle pickup and the selector switch. As far as the switch is concerned, I'd never really worried about it till this thread: the five-way always seemed to me like a cosmetically invisible mod to gain a mechanical improvement. I'd not considered it might have tonal implications till Niki's earlier post. I'll give that one some further thought.

I opted for the RW/RP middle pup in full knowledge of it's a-historical status, though the alternative was available. Now it so happens the pickups I chose are known as Bare Knuckle's "Sultans" set. That company is famous for the accuracy of its researches, so perhaps the set reproduces one of Knopfler's guitars, though which I couldn't tell you, and which way his middle pickup was wound back in the day I’ve no idea. Essentially though, polarity not withstanding, it's a '60s spec set - and we could talk for hours about exactly what that might mean in reality!

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Don't get up that way much, niki, but if we do...you're on! :D

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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:46 am
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Don't get up that way much, niki, but if we do...you're on! :D


Actually, Ian Sheridan lives within striking distance of all of us, in Hampshire.

So: kebabs at Ian's house, yes?

See ya Friday, guys!

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Ceri wrote:
Telebass wrote:
Don't get up that way much, niki, but if we do...you're on! :D


Actually, Ian Sheridan lives within striking distance of all of us, in Hampshire.

So: kebabs at Ian's house, yes?

See ya Friday, guys!

Cheers - C


A good Kebab is always good!!

one question Kebab comes from Pakistan right?

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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:53 am
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bluestube wrote:
A good Kebab is always good!!

one question Kebab comes from Pakistan right?


And India - and right across the Middle and Near East, too. Lebanese kebabs: yummy.

However, the ones we are talking about are likely the Greek/Turkish sort, carved from a huge lump of processed meat on a revolving skewer and served in a pitta. Very popular quick takeaway food in the UK, especially late at night after far too much beer.

The idea of meeting up for kebabs at Ian's house really incorporates the plan that we'll be falling down drunk fairly fast. The kebabs themselves will merely be a ritual to round off the evening before we are all ill on his carpet.

And bear in mind, Bluestube, I've seen drinking sessions in Norway, too [wipes sweat from forehead]. Just before anyone thinks of (rightfully) deriding us for our shameful Anglo-Saxon drinking habits...

Anyway: see you at Ian's house.

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I'll be there for the kebab, not old enough to drink yet....

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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:04 am
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bluestube wrote:
I'll be there for the kebab, not old enough to drink yet....


Haha! Very wise. I know how old you are and I can tell you rules didn't stop me at that age.

A significant part of why I am now in fact almost tea-total, regardless of how it may sound in the previous post. Luckily, I stopped before real harm was done...

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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:51 am
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The early Fender three-way switch is a "make before break" switch. That means that when you move from one position to the next, there is a brief moment when both pickups are on. Guitar players liked what they heard. It's a relatively simple hot rod job to file a couple of new detent positions in the switch body. A lot of guitarists/techs did it, and it's really a little surprising that Fender didn't go to a five-way switch until 1977.

Some people say that the sound is different now than it was in the early days when you had to wedge the switch between positions. Today, the middle pickup is normally wired RWRP. Would that make a difference? I'd wager that in blind tests most people would not be able to detect a difference based solely on switch wiring or RWRP. Other factors would be much more prominent.

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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:19 am
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Donner Kebab (the kind enjoyed by british lager louts and drunks on a saturday night) comes from Turkey or Iran. Rumour has it that the Shaar of Iran's last meal was a donner kebab just before he was executed.

Atleast he didnt wake the next morning with a stomping hangover, delhi belly and his missus screaming "whats this all down your shirt".


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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:33 am
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nikininja wrote:
Donner Kebab (the kind enjoyed by british lager louts and drunks on a saturday night) comes from Turkey or Iran. Rumour has it that the Shaar of Iran's last meal was a donner kebab just before he was executed.

Atleast he didnt wake the next morning with a stomping hangover, delhi belly and his missus screaming "whats this all down your shirt".


The Shah of Iran died in exile as a result of complications of non Hodgkins Lymphoma. He was not executed. I don't know what he ate.


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