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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:56 am
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Thanks for the help guys.

I've asked the dealers that carry the guitars here in the UK and got different answers about the fret size.

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bluestube wrote:
NOS=New Old Stock

and what it means is that they make a guitar to the original vintage specs, but they make it like it is a new guitar so its not reliced or has the light checking in the finish like the closet classic guitars have

its only a way to know if it looks like a relic or like a new guitar, just by reading the guitars name...


incorrect. if it was new old stock, they would be using new, never used original parts from "old stock" for these guitars. all they're doing is employing the same methods of production, or new old spec. new guitar, old specifications.

good luck finding the guitar!

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I guess this is one of those questions that only Fender can answer with any authority! If they will!? :wink:


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I've got the info in the 2003 catalogue. On friday when i get home i'll let you know the definition of NOS. I personaly theink it means ' no orange socks' :D

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I've got the info in the 2003 catalogue. On friday when i get home i'll let you know the definition of NOS. I personaly theink it means ' no orange socks' :D


While you got them on the line ask them about how they did the serial numbers on the DG strats, please! It would put old Doc's mind to rest!! :lol: :lol: Plus it would let me off the hook he put me on! :lol:
Thanks my friend!! :) :wink:


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NOS, in the automotive field anyways, means that a part, say the chrome headlight ring to a '68 VW Beetle, is new (never used), and it is from the same exact production and quality of the originals, and since they made more than they needed, they were shelved as stock.
So to me, a NOS guitar would be one that was built and assembled back in the day, and then shelved until they dusted it off and sold it..... I would guess if this is the case, that they would cost a pretty penny.


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NOS, in the automotive field anyways, means that a part, say the chrome headlight ring to a '68 VW Beetle, is new (never used), and it is from the same exact production and quality of the originals, and since they made more than they needed, they were shelved as stock.
So to me, a NOS guitar would be one that was built and assembled back in the day, and then shelved until they dusted it off and sold it..... I would guess if this is the case, that they would cost a pretty penny.


That's what I thought too! Their are different opinions in this posting though. I'd like to know for sure! :wink:


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Hi guys. I think there is perhaps a little confusion here about the phrase NOS, because it can mean different things in different situations.

With amplifier tubes, for example, New Old Stock means tubes that really were made 15 or 20 years ago and have been sitting in a box on a shelf unused for all that time. That goes in other, non-guitar related fields, too.

But as far as guitar makers are concerned, NOS means a guitar which was made today, but to specifications as close as they can possibly achieve to a model from an earlier era. So that it looks as if it was made in the '50s or '60s and has been sitting in a warehouse ever since. Looks that way - but hasn't really. (If it really was an untouched '50s Strat it would be worth the price of a house!)

Like Bluestube said, the next catagory in line is the Closet Classic, a period guitar made to look like it has been treated very well for 30 or 40 years, but played a little and bearing light signs of wear and lacquer aging.

And beyond that comes the full Relic. As invented (supposedly) by Keith Richards.

BTW, to the OP: Barry, if you go to the Custom Shop webpages ( http://www.fender.com/customshop/home/index.php ) and check out the Time Machine pages under Stratocaster then each individual instrument has a spec sheet from a button on its page that will find you some of the answers you want. Frets vary from guitar to guitar, which may be why you got different answers from suppliers.

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Fhopkins,
I'm not calling california from the uk, im made of meat and things not £50 notes :D .
I'll email em for you though mate, whats the specific question?
I owe you a favour for you posting a picture of that 57 twin :D

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Music stores will frequently find stuff "in the back" and sell it as NOS (New Old Stock). I don't think its a specific model that Fender puts out. They are what the seller found buried in the back. So if it's advertised as a NOS 1990 Strat, it's specifications are whatever they were for 1990.

Look up the year that it's NOS and you'll have the specifications

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zzdoc wrote:
cvilleira quotes Fender on the previous page and confirms NOS by their definition which is, and has always been to my knowledge, New Old Stock.

On a personal note...when I ordered my CS Clapton (back before the Titanic sank) it was specified to be a '57 Stratocaster with all the bells and whistles I put in it. On delivery, it came with a COA which reads 1965 Fender Stratocaster NOS. It had the '65 C-neck, the heavy logo, an 8 hole-pickguard, and a five-way selector switch with a 3-way included in case I wanted to retro fit. It did not have the deep offset waist relief that the '57's had, but did have soft body contours. I returned it requesting a V-neck.

The guitar arrived corrected, the day the Lusitania was torpedoed. They won't change the COA on the guitar but it is not now, nor was it ever, a spec '65 NOS.

On the other matter, I am confident that we will have some sense of this Gilmour guitar numbering system 'down the road a piece', but likely not presently. I give 'Hoppie' his leave to let go of it.

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NOS = new old stock What that means in retail sales is a product that was produced and never sold in the year it was manufactured. In the world of auto parts, NOS means you got a 1970 Camaro and you bought a 1970 GM part that was made in 1970, but never sold. It sat on the shelf since 1970, but is sold as new(never used) but it is old, as in 1970 vintage. What Fender refers to as NOS is a bit different. I would love to find a 1960 Stratocaster NOS!!!!!


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paisley strat wrote:
NOS = new old stock What that means in retail sales is a product that was produced and never sold in the year it was manufactured. In the world of auto parts, NOS means you got a 1970 Camaro and you bought a 1970 GM part that was made in 1970, but never sold. It sat on the shelf since 1970, but is sold as new(never used) but it is old, as in 1970 vintage. What Fender refers to as NOS is a bit different. I would love to find a 1960 Stratocaster NOS!!!!!


Agreed whole heartily. However, it's a concept, and he quotes the company directly.

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Honestly Fellas, even the Custom Shop won't make a guitar exactly to the original 50's specifications. The parts (made to 50's spec of 50's materials) just aren't there nor are the templates, tools, and machinery to make the parts. The Custom Shop can get close and that's what they sell.

On a "tie in" side note, watch "The Buddy Holly Story" starring Gary Busey. It's a decent movie about an early R&R pioneer. In it, his 50's Stratocaster has a big ol' 70's headstock! Even for the movies, they didn't bother getting it cosmetically correct.

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