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I'm not talkin' 'bout pleasure boatin' or day sailin'. I'm talkin' 'bout workin' for a livin'. I'm talkin' 'bout sharkin'


He reminds me a lot of a guy I sailed with in the old "Indianapolis"

Man, this guy hated sharks!!!

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Blue Jay Way wrote:
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I'm not talkin' 'bout pleasure boatin' or day sailin'. I'm talkin' 'bout workin' for a livin'. I'm talkin' 'bout sharkin'


He reminds me a lot of a guy I sailed with in the old "Indianapolis"

Man, this guy hated sharks!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I would like to see a maple fretboard with NO inlays on it except for the 12th fret. That fancy Fender "F" centered at the 12th fret overlapping to the 11th and 13th frets. Side markers would be cool on this setup just as black dots on the side of the neck. We all love Strats here, but Fender is kind of set in their ways about certain things and are probably afraid that (for example) if they were to build something "different" and cool (like the design that I laid out in another thread) that it wouldn't sell as well as some of the other models. Having almost EVERY guitar in a line-up look the same is as ridiculous as having every band in the world sound the same as well...SO COME ON FENDER AND GET ON WITH IT!!!!!!!!! :twisted:


I must have missed that other post, Shreddin. Though do remember you complaining bitterly that your Fender neck couldn't stand up to the treatment of your playing. Must say, I'm very interested to hear more about that. It almost sounded like your neck had sustained some kind of structural failure. I wonder what? And I wonder what a player of your kind needs done differently by a guitar builder to suit you better? (Cosmetics aside.)

That's stuff I'd be truly glad to hear about, if you felt like discussing it. From the point of view of expanding my knowledge of neck construction. If you feel like talking further - over to you!

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Lets leave the shark fins to the other brands. Now maybe not fret markers at all could be cool.


Yeah, no shark tooth inlays. No fret markers, ebony fingerboard, 7 strings... :D 8)

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I don't see Fender making any changes to the strats. Now if you have the cash you can get a custom shop Jackson that looks and feels like a Fender. Look at the one Adrian Smith did.
http://www.ironmaiden.com/index.php?cat ... icleid=978
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I like the no dot idea on the fretboard (just the side of the neck). I also like the Fender F logo idea on the 3,5,7,79,12,15,17,19, and 21st fret positions.

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I must have missed that other post, Shreddin. Though do remember you complaining bitterly that your Fender neck couldn't stand up to the treatment of your playing. Must say, I'm very interested to hear more about that. It almost sounded like your neck had sustained some kind of structural failure. I wonder what? And I wonder what a player of your kind needs done differently by a guitar builder to suit you better? (Cosmetics aside.)

That's stuff I'd be truly glad to hear about, if you felt like discussing it. From the point of view of expanding my knowledge of neck construction. If you feel like talking further - over to you!

Cheers - C


Hey brother! Good to hear from you again! What I meant about the Straight Six neck is that it's already showing wear after just a few months of playing. Meaning that the maple is getting "dirty" looking, but there's nothing anyone can do about that and it is kind of cool because people can see how much of the fretboard that you actually use often. So that's not too big of a deal, but there has been a couple of times where I really dug into a note a was putting some wicked vibratto to it and the string cut into the fret hard enough to make scratches on the fret. Enough that you can feel it with your finger so the frets on this MIM must be not that hard? Another issue was the nut. Whatever material that it's made of seems soft as well. When I went to 10's and got it all set-up, I must not have noticed that the slits in the nut weren't cut wide enough for this gauge of string. As a result the string "wore" it's way into place which in turn was giving me all kinds of buzz and I play with my action about 1/8" to 3/16" off of the 12th fret which is way higher than most people play. I do that because I seem to get a better "true" note to note tone that way no matter how fast or slow I'll pick through a passage (remember I pick every note for the most part). So it seems at this point that the issues I was dealing with were partly my fault and the rest is the fault of inferior parts. The neck itself as far as structural wise, is rock solid and I love the feel so there's no issue there. Oh yeah, when the frets got all scratched-up, the maple fretboard also took some hits as well, but like I said it kind of adds character.

Thank you BTW for explaining the reason behind not making a Strat 24 frets, but in the case of the Straight Six that you and I both own, there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON that Fender couldn't have made that model with 24 frets and a fully-floating/locking Floyd Rose. I really hope that they read this and scratch their heads as to why they didn't do that!!!

I hope this better explains what actually happened and for now, I'm just living with what I've got. I'm still playing that axe as my main and until I get another one and mod the livin' heck out of it with another Duncan/Floyd/custom paint/ect., only then will I retire this one, but only to make it better... :twisted:

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Shreddin,
Mate you need to source jackson or japanese charvel fretwire for your strat, its the hardest wire i've ever seen. I also believe jackson use rock maple for their necks. They always felt harder to me than anything else. The pensa suhr i played years ago wasnt a metal guitar by any stretch of the imagination. I'd be very carefull before i parted with any moolah on that one if i was you.

Heres to your quest mate.

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Hi again Shreddin and Niki:

Am I misremembering or do you have a Suhr and perhaps a Jackson already, Shreddin? I feel I recall custom orders you've done in the past, is that right?

I'm very interested in what you are saying about the fret wire. I'd never heard that MIMs used softer wire than MIAs; but maybe. So I guess it's stainless steel wire for you - there's mixed feelings about that amongst both players and luthiers, but some like it a lot. It would be a real drag to have to refret a neck within months of buying it new, though. That's not great.

For a guitar with only one pickup at the bridge there is no reason why that 22nd fret overhang couldn't be longer to take 24 frets. It might be a touch divingboard springy right at the end, though I doubt it would be noticeable. More of an issue would be the lack of upper fret access the classic Strat lower cutaway gives.

Dirty marks on the maple, as you say, is an unavoidable issue. I might be remembering from another thread somewhere that you are a maple fretboard man (like me), within which case that is just something we have to live with. Though again, I am amazed those finger positions are showing up so soon! That's intense playing!

Couple more questions, Shreddin, if you are still in a mood for this stuff. One thing that surprised me was that you didn't have any complaint about that fairly standard neck shape on your Strat. I had been expecting you to be wanting a thinner Ibanez style neck: so that was interesting.

Another question. Not particularly as a recommendation but just out of curiosity, have you ever tried the Malmsteen scalloped neck? It would seem an obvious route for someone of your tastes to go: I'd be interested to hear what you think about it if you've tried it.

Lotta stuff there: most interested in any further thoughts you have.

And as someone who has literally never even held a Jackson I'd also be fascinated to here from Niki what the comparisons are with regular Fender type necks...?

Cheers, guys - C


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jackson necks are thinner and wider than fender necks. whilst it makes for great accuracy at speed it does nothing for speed itself and when your used to fenders narrower spacing theres no comparison between the two for comfort at lightspeed, the fender leaves it standing. The thickness of even a modern C shape seems to land your finger joints at the optimal possition for dexterity. If however your playing neoclassical stuff as per mr Shreddin you need the accuracy that jackson necks provide, atleast i would.
Like i said source superhard fretwire. KTS did make titanium wire but i cant find anywhere selling it at the moment.

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Perhaps like putting a pearloid "F" logo instead of the normal inlay dots...the "F" logo like those found of the Fender Schaller tuners....

That would look cool IMO... :wink:


Yes, I´m agree... A perloid f logo in the 12th fret would be nice!!!, but shark teeth... that's not Fender style...

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Kinda takin' over the thread here - sorry.

But one more question for Nikininja. You're saying those Jackson necks are wider: is that wider at the nut, travelling to a normal Fender width at the heel? Or is the heel wider too?

Obviously what I'm wondering is if the neck pocket is standard Fender dimensions, or a different route peculiar to Jackson.

Thanks for your time, man - C


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will measure my jackson tomorrow when i get home mate.

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Shark fin inlays!
I think you may have had a little mini stroke right here in front of all of us. Lets leave that sort of thing to the brands and models that need to resort to it to set themselves apart.

Masterpieces don't need trickery to make them stand out.

Would you make the Mona Lisa blonde?
Would you add cowboy boots to the statue David?

The Strat fine just the way it is.

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