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Post subject: 2001 USA Strat with Floyd Rose and Duncan Screamin Deamon
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:21 pm
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Hi,

I was looking at buying a used 2001 USA Strat. It is advertised as built in 2001 with a Floyd Rose tremolo, gold lace sensor pickups (neck and mid)and a screamin deamon at the bridge.
Below the Fender Logo on the head of the guitar it does not say made in USA (see link to picture). Could it be a copy or did fender manufacture such a model in 2001 ?

Thanks, Dan


http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLarge ... d%3D1C4000


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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:28 pm
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The trust rod casing looks too dark, so if it is a Fender it must be a MIM. The USA Strats have wood trust rod casings and are much lighter in color. I think it is a Fender MIM which may have been upgraded by someone to have the Floyd Rose and the Duncan pickup. I bought a Strat off ebay once, and I would not bid on anything that did not have a serial number in the picture. Looks like an upgraded MIM Strat to me. Maybe someone else knows more.


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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:27 am
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Take a look at the serial number. I think you can tell if its MiM or MiA by seeing the first few numbers/letters of the serial no. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the first two numbers/letters of the serial number should start with MZ if its MiM.

But like I said, I could be wrong. :?


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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:11 pm
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IF it's a real Fender it's definitly not a Mexican. If you look at the rest of the pics it has a 22 fret neck. I would try to find out more info because I don't think it's worth $1,100.

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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:20 pm
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Well, individually, I feel I've seen all of those features, including the decal, on legit Fenders. I certainly can't find a logo like that amongst known sources of fake decals; but of course that proves nothing. I don't think you need to worry about the dark color of the trussrod opening, at least in itself.

I've just done a bit of hunting and found something not unlike the guitar in question a little over half way down this page. How's your Spanish?

http://ivanguitars.4t.com/photo.html

(Warning: there's some very tiresome popups on that page.)

So, Strat Special with Floyd Rose: 22 frets, same logo, same tuners, same body color - different pups and plastic parts.

Which takes us to this page:

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/revi ... ecial/10/1

So. Sounds legit, doesn't it? I'd still want to be asking some searching questions of the current owner, though. How do you feel about that price?

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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:27 am
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the pickups are a mod and the truss access surround matches the spanish sites floydy strat. I think the spanish sites guitar is mexican though. With my tiny ammount of spanish i found no reference to it being a american strat.

I wouldnt consider buying any 'fender' without seeing and checking the serial no's.

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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:29 am
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It looks like the body is not routed right for that floyd.
Am I crazy?
In fact it is just a standard routing on that body?
hmm what do u guys think?

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Post subject: Re: 2001 USA Strat with Floyd Rose and Duncan Screamin Deamo
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:30 am
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Dan72 wrote:
Hi,

I was looking at buying a used 2001 USA Strat. It is advertised as built in 2001 with a Floyd Rose tremolo, gold lace sensor pickups (neck and mid)and a screamin deamon at the bridge.
Below the Fender Logo on the head of the guitar it does not say made in USA (see link to picture). Could it be a copy or did fender manufacture such a model in 2001 ?

Thanks, Dan


http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLarge ... d%3D1C4000


It's not a Fender. Where are you buying it from?

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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:03 pm
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Hi Guys,

this is a local guy selling on the small classified ad site. I'm still not sure what it is. The one on the spanish site seems quite similar, except it has an HSS config and he has SSS. The head seems really similar, but like it was mentioned no where does it say made in USA, unless it is on the back plate, but that can be changed easily. He also has a red one for sale, similar but with a maple neck and HSS config. I was altually wondering if he had built them himself... :?

I found a Youtube site and I think this is him playing a guitar almost the same, but with a maple neck. He's in a music store, so maybe he builds and sells them. Another reason why I am thinking that is that the tremolo has Flod Rose written on it, and if I am not mistaken, those on guitars manufactured by Fender would be written "Fender" instead on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-SrVUWw_0E


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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:33 pm
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Dan72 wrote:
The head seems really similar, but like it was mentioned no where does it say made in USA... the tremolo has Flod Rose written on it, and if I am not mistaken, those on guitars manufactured by Fender would be written "Fender" instead on them.


If you do an image search on American Special Stratocaster you will find that model always had the decal exactly as you see it on this guitar. No extra words, no "Original Contour Body" at the top. Various versions of the model.

And if you image search Stratocaster Floyd Rose you will see that Fender has frequently used Floyd branded bridges - along with all the others they've used over the years.

As Niki says, this guitar has surely had a pickup mod (and other plastic parts). Other than that, I think it is legit.

But ask the seller for the serial number, which will be found on the back of the headstock if it is indeed real. And ask him about the mods - see what his story is. Then let us know, please. We're all on a learning curve here.

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Ceri wrote:
But ask the seller for the serial number, which will be found on the back of the headstock if it is indeed real. And ask him about the mods - see what his story is. Then let us know, please. We're all on a learning curve here.


The serial number is key. A picture or two of the back of the headstock and the neck plate area would help a lot.

It looks Japanese to me (at first glance).

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Ceri wrote:
But ask the seller for the serial number, which will be found on the back of the headstock if it is indeed real. And ask him about the mods - see what his story is. Then let us know, please. We're all on a learning curve here.


The serial number is key. A picture or two of the back of the headstock and the neck plate area would help a lot.

It looks Japanese to me (at first glance).


(Thanks to your previous advice) I had a goodish hunt around amongst current MIJs without success.

I have a feeling that the American Special was a MIA line around the beginning of the decade - but I'm away from my books and can't verify that (or not) till late tomorrow. Stay tooned...

Cheers - C

EDIT: Dunno why this thread is niggling at me. However, I just took a look at the wiring diagrams/parts list page of this site, and would you believe the Stratocaster Special HSS with Floyd Rose is one of the very few that has no diagrams or list available? Good grief, how annoying! However, there is a model number, #110-6500/02 and a Rev. Date, 07/17/01. Progress...


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I say the neck could be legit but everything else could be totally modded and added to the neck ....... I could be wrong though :P


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Ceri wrote:
I have a feeling that the American Special was a MIA line around the beginning of the decade - but I'm away from my books and can't verify that (or not) till late tomorrow. Stay tooned...


Hmm, mixed results. On page 246 of The Stratocaster Chronicles it says:

Stratocaster Chronicles wrote:
By January 2000 many people had given up trying to remember the specs of every Strat model. What was the point? With guitars being added, dropped and modified faster than the publication of new catalogs, players and dealers were doing well to remember general distinctions among series. Anyone who bothered to do so would have counted several dozen basic Strat models...

Factory guitars were grouped in nine series, five of which, significantly, bore the country of origin as part of the name: American Standard... Hot Rodded American Standard... American Special (the Jimi Hendrix Voodoo Strat and a couple of Floyd Rose models)..." etc, etc.


And that's what I think you have there: an American Special Floyd Rose Stratocaster from around the turn of the century. I believe it is kosher, give or take the pickups and plastics - but I can't take it further because there is no picture of it in that or other books. How frustrating.

A serial number will help a little, though will only date the guitar for us and confirm the Corona plant origin. Unless anyone else here actually owns one of those Strats...?

Let us know how you get on, why not?

- C


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