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Post subject: What do you think about Strat look-a-likes?
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:54 pm
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What do you think about Ibanez and other Strat look-a-likes? Good, bad, thieves, rip-offs, pathetic? Are they destroying the Stratocaster or helping it?

These are the things I think about before bed. lol


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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:11 am
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Don't really care...? They don't destroy the fenders, so what is the big deal? They can copy as much as they want to but they still won't get the same beautiful tone as fenders! 8)


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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:14 am
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This should be a fun thread....I have no real problems with them. At this point, the major makers, like Ibanez, peavey, etc, are making a strat-styled guitar with their own details, slightly different body shape, pgs, etc.

The clone makers will always be out there. Some good, some bad. The good of that might be that some folks will get them and learn to play and maybe eventually move up thru the chains to a Fender. Or at least keep playing guitar. The bad point is that some of them play so atrociously that the beginners will give up in frustration over a poorly designed and setup guitar.

In my world, the high quality clones more or less forced Fender to do something and that was create the squier line, whcih has been perfect for my needs and budget. And the high line squiers are pretty nice pieces.

I have an 80's clone that is pretty high quality. The body and neck are great, the corners were cut in the electronics, but it still played everytime I plugged it in. Even after sitting for 10 years in a storage facility.

20 years ago, it was thievery. Ripping off something to make a buck. The cheap copies probably still are. It is sucha timeless, popular design, though, that the major makers are using the idea and making it their own. I have no issue with that, really.

You really got to find other things to think about before bed..... :D

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:15 am
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I'd swap my MIM 50's strat for a Tokai springy sound!

Too cool!

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:22 am
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Actually, they offer you & I as players, strat like guitars with subtle differences.
I just got a used Ibanez js1000 which I describe as a pseudo hybrid guitar,
kind of like Strat meets LP or PRS with a floyd style tremolo & unique electronics.
On a personal note I like Ibanez, I own 2 of them.

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:33 am
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They're fine. It's a compliment for them to copy strat actually.

I personally have no interest in anything other than a Fender, maybe a G&L. But for others, I supposed it more options.

Like the Harley riders says about the Japanese "rice burner" bikes - "They might be nice, and look the same, but it just ain't a Harley!"


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I had a '90s Epiphone Strat copy from Korea, and was an almost exact copy of the body. The neck was a little thinner and wider, and the pickups were crap, but not a bad guitar to learn on, and have beers thrown at.


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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:47 am
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strat look a likes, they are pretty cool.
the cheaper ones can be used to beat around. some suprisingly play very well, like the squiers, and SX.
great to practice modifications, pick ups, relicing, nuts, anything you can think of. if you mess up, it wont hurt as much as if it were a mim, or am std.
on the hurt or help issue.
in the long run, it helps.
they are a great place to start. i have no problems with working musicians who play their mod squier or look a like strats.
my 2 cts


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Post subject: Re: strat look a likes
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:10 am
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bluesstrattone wrote:
strat look a likes...like the squiers

Sigh. This is from the Fender website:
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Why buy a no-name knock-off when Squier offers a real Stratocaster guitar, designed and backed by Fender®?

According to Fender, Squier Stratocasters are real Stratocasters, not look-alikes. 8)


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I like the knock offs. I have a knock off that I wouldn't give up for anything. It has a fantastic neck and great pick ups. It feels like my MIJ Fender 50's reissue and plays just as good but only at a quarter of the price. It only needed a good set up (by yours truly) and it became fantastic!
IF a Squier had as good a neck and pick ups combo I would have bought it. But my guess is that Fender is in a bind. Squiers can't be too good and sap business from the Fender line.
The closest to what I need would be a 50's classic vibe series strat. But I need to try it out first. Because i don't like to buy stuff that I have not tried out. I seriously doubt that they have put all the ingredients that I like together on that guitar and the stores here probably don't carry it because they get more profit from the MIM's and the MIA's.
It is really annoying that if i go to the store I can't try out the guitar in the color that I like and the model that I want. It is frustrating.
I hope Fender is listening because a few months ago I would have bought a Jimmy Vaughan Strat if it only had painted black or sunburst! And I almost took a chance in a Squier Standard Telecaster I found on the web if I could have been a walnut satin with a rosewood fretboard.
The thing about the knock offs is that they are extremely cheap that I don't feel I am taking a big risk buying an instrument I will not like. They are mass produced so I can pick the finish I want and not wish and pray that it might someday make its way to the local FENDER distributor/authorized dealer.
And I am not going to buy a substandard instrument hoping that I can hunt down good parts for it I am not a guitar making company. I want the guitar I want. If China or Korea makes it why not buy it?
(getting off the soap box)

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ibanez etc are taking all respect for there bright tone and amazing sustain but with out the strat they all would be nothing so they have a lot owe the strat 8)

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Post subject: Re: strat look a likes
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:18 am
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russianracehorse wrote:
bluesstrattone wrote:
strat look a likes...like the squiers

Sigh. This is from the Fender website:


sorry, squiers are strats, ill take that as a mistake on my part.
i was only comparing it to a fender strat.
qualitywise, they are on the low end. they do have squiers that are a little high end. still make no mistake, an squier affinity strat does not compare to a mim std strat. i have compared them thouroughly.
but when you change pickups, saddles, trem springs, and nut, im speaking of the affinityy strat, it becomes a hulk.lol
anyway, im just answering your post, being that it was pretty anal on your part.
my 2cts...


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We are all fans of our Fender guitars or we would not be here on the Fender Forum but there are Strat style guitars that I would not call a Knock off and some I would. The Tokia Spingy Sound and the Tokia Silver Star were high quality copys of the Stat I would like to have either one. At one time SRV played a Tokia Silver Star. Then you have to remember G & L the company started by George Fullerton and Leo Fender where Leo tweaked his ideas running R and D for the company. Question is would you concider them copy's? G&L makes some top of the line guitars.

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dgonz wrote:
Like the Harley riders says about the Japanese "rice burner" bikes - "They might be nice, and look the same, but it just ain't a Harley!"


Hmmm... A while ago I found an old copy of a bike magazine from the '70s in a box in the attic. It had a head-to-head shoot out between the latest Kawasaki and Norton bikes. The conclusion was along the lines of: "OK, the Norton isn't as fast, it ain't as good on the corners, it isn't built as well, it costs more - and it leaks oil. But hell, fellas, it's a Norton! Who wants a brash Kawasaki when you can have the real thing; a Norton?"

Within months of that article Norton had gone down the pan.

And the Japanese nearly did the same thing to Europe and America's instrument industry in its entirety. However, many companies, such as Fender, survived - by the skin of their teeth - knuckled down and worked their way back and are now better than ever in their history.

I'm afraid it's the competition provided by those upstart "knock-offs" that forced our makers to get back on their feet and start giving us quality again. We needed that kick up the behind, and likely we always will.

Fender for me - but maybe that's thanks to the opposition.

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:55 am
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I personally would not consider G&L a copy. After all, the strat is the brainchild of Leo Fender - so when he started G&L and started making guitars, as far as I am concerned they are strats also....
Just my opinion...

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