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Post subject: see through 57 hotrod.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:36 pm
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I hardly ever play my 57hotrod, i dug it out yesterday. To my horror whilst polishing it, I noticed in a certain light that you can see the join in the bodywoods through the finish :shock:

Is this normal with thinskin finish's? I've never used any polish on it, just breath and a soft cloth. Atleast i know the body is a two piece now. The join is right down the middle.

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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:56 pm
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Hello Nikininja,

My '63 hotrod stratocaster
exibits the same characteristic.
Seems to be 2 piece as well.
Not really bothersome.

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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:19 pm
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yeah i know what you mean its a miniscule detail compared to how the guitar plays and sounds Mr Bill. I'm shocked by it though, the guitars had less than 30 hours play since new. I have the belief that my guitars was meant to age prematurely, do you findyours feels the same way?

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:29 am
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nikininja wrote:
yeah i know what you mean its a miniscule detail compared to how the guitar plays and sounds Mr Bill. I'm shocked by it though, the guitars had less than 30 hours play since new. I have the belief that my guitars was meant to age prematurely, do you findyours feels the same way?


I suppose that unless you luck out with a really closely matched grain pattern you're going to see that line. The recently posted Sienna sunburst photo is a rare find. My guess is that they are much more careful with ash in that regard, not so with alder.

Play the guitar. :!: :P

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nikininja wrote:
yeah i know what you mean its a minuscule detail compared to how the guitar plays and sounds Mr Bill. I'm shocked by it though, the guitars had less than 30 hours play since new. I have the belief that my guitar was meant to age prematurely, do you find yours feels the same way?


had to correct the nonsensical english :oops:

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:07 am
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Doc your absolutely right. The joinline is hardly visible and in no way affects the play of the guitar. I feel quite lucky that the body is 2 piece and not a 4,5 or 6. It suprises me how thin the finish on the guitar must be.
Yes that guitar should be played more, sadly i'm not at home enough to enjoy it to its full extent.

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nikininja wrote:
Doc your absolutely right. The joinline is hardly visible and in no way affects the play of the guitar. I feel quite lucky that the body is 2 piece and not a 4,5 or 6. It suprises me how thin the finish on the guitar must be.
Yes that guitar should be played more, sadly i'm not at home enough to enjoy it to its full extent.


I believe this is an MIA product, thus, with a finish that shows the grain I expect they would not use more than 2 pieces. With paint, that may be different, although prior posts have suggested otherwise with respect to MIA bodies.

Play the guitar :!: ....we spent an awful lot of time over that neck :!:

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:56 pm
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Hello Nikininja,

Who can say what Fender is thinking with this
thinskin bit, highway 1's clearly have a finish of
less durability and I{and others} believe it was
engineered that way for those who can enjoy a
nicked up guitar sooner. My thinskin coating seems
durable it has a somewhat harder, glasslike,appearance,
although it never leaves the parlor, I'm
pretty sure it'll out perform the H1 finish.

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:11 pm
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nikininja wrote:
yeah i know what you mean its a miniscule detail compared to how the guitar plays and sounds Mr Bill. I'm shocked by it though, the guitars had less than 30 hours play since new.


I'm taken aback at this thread. I'd be disappointed with a timber join showing through a solid finish like both of you are saying.

But what is really bothering me is the idea you've only played that Hotrod for 30 hours in total, since you bought it months ago! Good grief, I'd have played it for 30 hours just on the first day!

Hmm. I'm not so wild for that rails pickup at the bridge - but still I'll give you a hundred for it, howzat? Send it to a good home, Niki...

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Im certain their painted in a way to cause em to age prematurely Ceri. If you have any info regarding that practice i'd love to hear it as i've never heard of it before.

On the issue of it not being played that much its a simple explanation, I'm a switch addict and it simply doesnt have enough switches for me since i put together the mahogany strat with the clapton boost. The hotrod plays itself its so good and it sounds divine, part of which i put down to the thin paintjob. For it to be perfect it needs a mid boost and s1 switching and a neck pickup on switch via a coiltap cos i want it to look stock. I think i've just discovered my customshop order :D

I'm not selling it ever though, i've aspirations of it becoming a closet classic for one of my daughters after i'm gone. Also dont be put off em by the rails pickup. If your anything like me and favour the bridge or bridge-mid possitions their are quite authentic tones to be had on this guitar. It's just a matter of balancing the pickups (which isn't too hard with scn's) and adjusting the volume control.

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Hahaha - that's a good post!

Now I don't know how to admit this to a gentleman with your excellent ears, but what I don't like about rails pickups is simply the look. It's as silly as that - that's how shallow I really am!

More seriously, regarding the finish: it shouldn't matter what the lacquer is like, properly joined pieces of timber should never have a perceivable join - wouldn't you think? I've run my finger across antique marquetry tabletops with gazillions of joins and yet a mirror smooth finish a century or two later. (Obviously ignoring the "do not touch" sign: I mean, who do the National Trust think they are?)

Yet Mr Bill's posts suggest yours is not an isolated instance. And no doubt, soon as this thread has been around a day or two dozens of others will post with the same issue. Just seems surprising to me...

By the way, catching up after a few days away I just noticed on another thread you offering my services for neck shimming. I was almost disappointed to see the OP lives in Texas...

Ta-ta - C


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If we guitarists weren't shallow enough to favour certain guitars by appearance who knows what we'd be playing, lets remember it took 2 attempts for the V and explorer to sell. Electric guitar has always been as much about appearance as it has been sound mate.

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Ceri wrote:
I'm taken aback at this thread. I'd be disappointed with a timber join showing through a solid finish like both of you are saying.


I can find the dowels under the solid color (or black part of the sunburst) finishes of my older Strats, but I cannot find the seams.

A thinner finish may not have enough undercoat/filler to really hide the seams. I wonder if niki can also see the grain?

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:02 pm
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FYI Niki: A year ago I submitted a price point inquiry to the CS regarding a hardtail '57 Hotrod. The quote was over $3K US team built. That's when I bought the Hiland. With all the additional mods you're talking about I can see you going to $4K US. At that rate you'd do better investment wise with a Gilmour and have Warmoth build your other brain child. :wink:

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orvilleowner wrote:
Ceri wrote:
I'm taken aback at this thread. I'd be disappointed with a timber join showing through a solid finish like both of you are saying.


I can find the dowels under the solid color (or black part of the sunburst) finishes of my older Strats, but I cannot find the seams.

A thinner finish may not have enough undercoat/filler to really hide the seams. I wonder if niki can also see the grain?


Right. As we know, any blemish whatsoever in the surface of the timber will show through the lacquer sooner or later as it gradually sinks. That's what grain filler on ash and mahogany and wet sanding of the raw wood is all about, after all.

But there is no reason why a timber join should leave any physical trace for the finish to sink into. Doing decent flat joins is really one of the easier bits of the task.

Curious. I'm listening out for more people with this issue.

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