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Post subject: 2008 Strat Rosewwod Neck Fading?
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:08 pm
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Hey everyone,

I just got my new olympic white american standard strat, and boy is it a beauty! I had some questions regarding the new dark stain on the neck. Its absolutely gorgeous, but there are large areas that seem like they did not get the treatment, or at least not as well, as the are noticeably lighter. I also suspect that in the past 4 days or so the dark stain has started to wear off.... this is all under normal playing conditions.. anyone have similar experience or know anything about this? Any input would be Awesome. THANKS


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Any chance of some pictures of the problem area's mate?

rosewood fingerboards dont get much if any treatment ant the factory.

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I'd like pics too, and anyone elses views as I have a 2008 MIA coming next week with Rosewood.

Not heard anyone else mention this problem.

Its not that the shop put some kind of treatment/oil on the fingerboard as part of a setup and failed to wipe off the excess after leaving it for a while? If this was the case, you'd effectively be wiping off the excess whilst playing.

Sounds far fetched, but I did once collect an Ibanez Prestige that the shop had drowned in Kyser Lem-oil, presumably to make the disappointingly dry and pale Rosewood look slick and hard. It was rediculous.
Unlikely I guess but a possibility nonetheless. Give the board a gentle wipe down with a soft microfibre cloth or something and see if a load of gunk gets transferred to the cloth.


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I would assume that the fret board is dry, and not neccessarily dirty since the guitar is new. The lighter colored spots are probably more dry than others. I use Luthier's Choice fretboard conditioner on my rosewood a couple of times a year.


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Had your fingerboard been ebony then it would be more obvious what is going on. Ebony is not often the uniformly dark timber we imagine and has to be stained black with a product such as this:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Finishing_s ... Stain.html

This is less often the case with rosewood, but it can happen too. Perhaps your fingerboard was made from a particularly unevenly colored piece of timber and so stain was applied to darken it. If this wasn't done well enough then it may be coming off again as you play the neck.

I don't know if this would be considered a justification for replacement under warranty. But if you are dissatisfied with it you need to return it to a Fender dealer within the warranty period to see if you can exchange it.

If you are outside the warranty period you will just have to live with it. The color of the wood doesn't actually affect the sound or playability in any way.

Alternatively, there are plenty of wood staining products around if you want to try to rectify the visual appearance of the timber yourself. But you'd obviously invalidate your warranty by so doing. Your choice.

Cheers - C


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I can't tell if he's talking about the rosewood itself or the neck amber applied to the maple. If it's the vintage stain for the maple, mine is wearing off my EJ already. There were some spots that weren't stained as darkly as others.

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I can't tell if he's talking about the rosewood itself or the neck amber applied to the maple. If it's the vintage stain for the maple, mine is wearing off my EJ already. There were some spots that weren't stained as darkly as others.


Got a feeling I've heard something about some current Strats coming with stained rosewood fingerboards as a sort of advertised feature, as opposed to just something they do behind the scenes to even out the product. Is that ringing a bell with anyone, or did I imagine it...?

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Ceri wrote:
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I can't tell if he's talking about the rosewood itself or the neck amber applied to the maple. If it's the vintage stain for the maple, mine is wearing off my EJ already. There were some spots that weren't stained as darkly as others.


Got a feeling I've heard something about some current Strats coming with stained rosewood fingerboards as a sort of advertised feature, as opposed to just something they do behind the scenes to even out the product. Is that ringing a bell with anyone, or did I imagine it...?

- C


Sounds like the lack of good rosewood is catching up with the industry. Making up for it is now a "feature".

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Ceri wrote:
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I can't tell if he's talking about the rosewood itself or the neck amber applied to the maple. If it's the vintage stain for the maple, mine is wearing off my EJ already. There were some spots that weren't stained as darkly as others.


Got a feeling I've heard something about some current Strats coming with stained rosewood fingerboards as a sort of advertised feature, as opposed to just something they do behind the scenes to even out the product. Is that ringing a bell with anyone, or did I imagine it...?

- C


Sounds like the lack of good rosewood is catching up with the industry. Making up for it is now a "feature".


Yes, I think that is precisely it.

I read a very interesting interview with Whatshisname Martin the Fourth, current boss of Martin Guitars, where he was talking about how the best timbers are becoming very scarce. He was saying in the coming years we are going to have to get used to multipart tops - never mind bodies - and all kinds of strange laminates in necks, as well as new and unfamiliar tonewoods, such as cherry and the like.

He said he wished companies such as his had taken timber sourcing seriously decades ago and put pressure on their suppliers to sustainably replace felled trees. But as he said, "we just didn't think the resource would ever run out, in those days".

Cheers - C


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Ceri wrote:
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Ceri wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I can't tell if he's talking about the rosewood itself or the neck amber applied to the maple. If it's the vintage stain for the maple, mine is wearing off my EJ already. There were some spots that weren't stained as darkly as others.


Got a feeling I've heard something about some current Strats coming with stained rosewood fingerboards as a sort of advertised feature, as opposed to just something they do behind the scenes to even out the product. Is that ringing a bell with anyone, or did I imagine it...?

- C


Sounds like the lack of good rosewood is catching up with the industry. Making up for it is now a "feature".


Yes, I think that is precisely it.

I read a very interesting interview with Whatshisname Martin the Fourth, current boss of Martin Guitars, where he was talking about how the best timbers are becoming very scarce. He was saying in the coming years we are going to have to get used to multipart tops - never mind bodies - and all kinds of strange laminates in necks, as well as new and unfamiliar tonewoods, such as cherry and the like.

He said he wished companies such as his had taken timber sourcing seriously decades ago and put pressure on their suppliers to sustainably replace felled trees. But as he said, "we just didn't think the resource would ever run out, in those days".

Cheers - C


Time to invest in rosewood, mahogany and ebony farming. Geneticist's need to get going on creating lines of faster growing tonewoods, like they did with pine for the wood industry.

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Time to invest in rosewood, mahogany and ebony farming. Geneticist's need to get going on creating lines of faster growing tonewoods, like they did with pine for the wood industry.


Right!

I know a guy who spends half the year in Barbados where he has some kind of family land setup. The bottom was falling out of the banana business in the Caribbean and he thought he saw the future and started planting tropical hardwoods, like mahogany.

Problem is, they're only ten feet tall, so far. His grandchildren will be rich, though!

Cheers - C


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Thanks for the info. Specifically what I am refering to is the 2008 strats. If you read the product specs, it advertises a "new dark stain" for the fretboard. It seems like that is already wearing off, but maybe Ill see if its too dry like one of the gentlemen up above said. Thanksfor the input!


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I suggest maybe using Fret Doctor on that fretboard...
Look at the image of before and after using fret doctor...
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Also read their website as they will talk about all the different oils
people use on there fretboards & woodwinds.
They explain in depth about why their concoction of organic oils are THE BEST.
I strongly suggest reading in detail the information on their web site.
http://www.beafifer.com/boredoctor.htm

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As you have leanred, the growth of tone wood trees take generations to grow for guitar use. The Majarity of sitka spruce trees were felled by loggers and imported to rebuild Japan after WWII. Brazilian Rosewood is all but gone


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