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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:10 pm
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Hi i have strat richie sambora :wink:with hot noisless pickup, BUT not sastein :cry:


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No sustain can be becouse off the Floyd Rose tremolo.....

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bluestube wrote:
No sustain can be becouse off the Floyd Rose tremolo.....

Really? Why is that?
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Trems really cause a guitar to lose sustain, mainly because there isn't near as much stress on the strings, so the vibrations of the strings will last longer. On a hardtail guitar, the strings are under way more stress and gain sustain. That's one reason why the Gibson Les Paul is so noted for its sustain.

Although...I thought the Richie Sambrora sig was an ESP/LTD model..? Or did he previously have an endorsement to Fender? :?


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Trems really cause a guitar to lose sustain, mainly because there isn't near as much stress on the strings, so the vibrations of the strings will last longer. On a hardtail guitar, the strings are under way more stress and gain sustain. That's one reason why the Gibson Les Paul is so noted for its sustain.

Although...I thought the Richie Sambrora sig was an ESP/LTD model..? Or did he previously have an endorsement to Fender? :?


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This is why I am saving for a 70s hardtail strat like I used to have and sold years ago (boo). I have never played a better sounding ax since. Sustain up the yin yang.

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It could be the way a floyd is set up causing the sustain problem rather than the floyd itself, especialy if its the usa sambora with the original floyd II fitted. Even cheapo floyd copies rarely cause bad sustain, just a bad plinky plink tone. Check that the floyd is sitting parallel to the body whilst the guitar is in concert pitch or whatever tuning you use. Aside from that its one of the usual problems neck relief, pickup height or action. All of which have various threads in the forum.

I think the lespaul increased sustain is more to do with the maple cap on the body rather than it having a hardtail or even set neck. The telecaster is also a hardtail and string through body but only sustains the same as a strat more or less. The lespaul also has less string tension due to its shorter scalelength. Thats why strings are easier to bend on it.

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You make some good points nikininja. However I am pretty convinced (at least with my experience with Strats) that the hardtail (string through body) model was the best sounding. Personally I would not think it has much to due with string tension, like you explained that has to do with scale..and of course tuning and string gauge.

I think it has more to do with the strings having a direct solid connection to the body..hence the vibrations sustain..or at least sound fuller and richer..as opposed to any "floating" bridge where the strings never contact the body directly.

I may be wrong..but the ears don't lie, there is something to it.

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maybe your right, hearing is a very individual thing, i just dont hear strats hardtail or tremmed sounding too different from telecasters and certainly nowhere near lespauls which aren't even string through infact the strings are further away from the body than a trem equipped strat.
Ofcourse if you hear the difference between hardtail and tremmed strats who am i to say your wrong, your hearing could be greatly more developed than mine. The simple fact is you hear it, i dont. My main point was that lespauls sustain more through bodywoods than neck or bridge construction.

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nikininja, we seem to be for the most part in agreement.

However my intent was not to cpmpare any strat to a tele or les paul. Now of course it is undisputed that a les paul has more sustain then a strat regardless of bridge type...but honestly a paul has a one piece neck/body assembly and humbuckers. Now not to say which "sounds" better, that is purely subjective but as much as i admire les pauls..I prefer the tone of teles and strats.

But in a nutshell I was ONLY comparing strats with trem vs. hardtail since the topic was about sustain on a strat. Sure pickups and wood type etc all play a part..and maybe even string tension for all I know..but I have owned 70's strats and in a side by side...the hardtail was richer/ fuller, more sustain and one of the best strat tone I ever heard. I miss that one horribly. BTW it was a clearcoat with no paint..natural wood finish so perhaps that contributed as well...but I am no expert on finishes.

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:44 pm
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siyamak wrote:
Hi i have strat richie sambora :wink:with hot noisless pickup, BUT not sastein :cry:


Don't rule out pickup heights.


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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:30 pm
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M. Brown wrote:
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Hi i have strat richie sambora :wink:with hot noisless pickup, BUT not sastein :cry:


Don't rule out pickup heights.


Absolutly. However, any feedback I left is under the assumption that the ax is properly set up to begin with, I would hope that is a given before asking about sustain on an electric. But you know what they say about "assuming" anything.

So with that said...has the ax been properly set up by a pro?

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