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Post subject: Earvana compensated nut
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:05 pm
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the things amazing, the tone and intonation is superb.
Do fender make a guitar with it fitted as standard or is it a CS job. Earvana are now supplying guitar companies with a 'not for the public' nut.

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:58 pm
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A friend of mine put together a Warmoth body and a USACG neck with the Earvana nut.

I didn't get to play it long enough to appreciate its sonic benefits.
But the theory behind it is really cool.

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:25 am
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Hi Niki

Been waiting to see how that one worked out for you. No-one's better than you at talking about how things function in real-life playing situations, so we're ready to soak up everything you have to say about it.

For starters: it is just a straight switch with a regular nut - is that right? No woodwork necessary? Also, did you then have to move the saddles about to re-intonate the guitar, or is that not how it works?

Lastly, have you ever tried a Feitenized guitar for comparision? Obviously, what I'm keen to know is if this is a simpler route to the same outcome...

More info, man...

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:44 am
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I went to their web site: http://www.earvana.com/
They say that you will have to adjust the bridge saddles to compensate.
They claim it is better than Buzz Feiten system cuz u don't have to do any
wood work & you can still play it with a capo.
Also the material:
"The proprietary and unique material formulation of our nut
is high-:pressure injection molded to create a brighter, tusk-like
tone while producing slip lubrication properties superior to
graphite. Get the best of both-have a bright bone sound with
slip properties superior to graphite! "
http://www.earvana.com/faq.htm

Funny thing is that on their site I only see the replacement for the LSR
roller nut available.
The standard strat nut still says coming soon.
Are they sure they are done with reserch & development?

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:55 am
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Hi BSS

I've always been a little leary of the Buzz Feiten system because you virtually have to go back to school to learn how to fit it. Or be reliant on one of the shops that does it. So I just don't want to discover that it is fabulous and I can't do without it...

Mind you, I've sat about ten feet in front of Buzz when he was in Dave Weckl's band - that fella can play! The system sure seems to be doing him some good, at any rate.

So if the Earvana is an easier way of getting the same thing I may well be going that direction soon.

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:08 am
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From what I see (unless I'm mistaken) you have to put it in with screws where there were no screw holes before. I'm leary of putting holes in the guitar. Am I wrong? :?


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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:15 am
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ok,
I didnt get the thing installed till 1.30am lastnight/ this morning. Theres a definite improvement in intonation but not quite as accurate as the buzz feinten system so i'm told, although i have no first hand experience of that system. I read up on the feinten system and was mis-informed that it requires a permanent alteration to the nut slot, it doesnt. Its a 'shelf nut' the same as the earvana so i think im going to have that installed on the hotrod.
Anyway i've been playing and tuning the earvana guitar all morning, its very good, not perfect but a big improvement especialy for guitars with a high action. I tried the feinten 'by ear' tuning method of tuning all strings to high E e.g 5th fret on the B, 9th fret on the G. The bass string side of the nut i cant fault, the treble side still suffers slightly from sharp G flat E up around the 3rd & 4th frets. I hasten to add I was trying to find fault and being very critical. In reality its nothing at all, Ive certainly seen pro guitars that perform worse.
The saddles did need re-adjusting but seemed easier to possition i got across the saddles in about a minute and a half. The nut altered the tone slightly too the bass and treble have diminshed slightly with increase in middle. It doesnt suffer from snagging either from what i can tell its similar in feel to a graphtech, very smooth. Instalation was very quick and easy too.

Well worth the £20 it cost. :D

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:20 am
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Hi Ceri this does seem better than the buzz sys...

nikininja,
Is it true that the nut has very good slipping quality to it, better than graphite?
Do you think it will work better or as good as my LSR roller nut
as far as not binding for heavy tremolo use?

Also did you replace a standard strat nut or a LSR roller nut?
Their site says the standard strat nut is "coming soon".

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:29 am
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You get a spacer section that you glue into the nutslot as with a regular nut, then you screw the shelf bit into the pre-drilled holes of the spacer. They do pierce the maple in the nut slot, but not by anything thats going to be detrimental to the neck the screws are only 6mm long the shelf and spacer when trimmed to fit measured at 4mm.

Also
ZZdoc mentioned some time back about Claptons guitars having a 1/8th action right across the fretboard. This seems very possible with this nut, The action sits at 1/8th down at the first fret, a lot higher than i usualy have a nut.

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nikininja wrote:
...Well worth the £20 it cost. :D


Excellent. So you didn't need to mess with the timber on a Strat, right?

I'm studying the Earvana website (thanks, BSS) and am still a little unsure about the screws FHopkins mentioned. Any screws involved in yours, or no? Maybe that's just on Gibsons and acoustics...?

- C

EDIT - Ah, you've just answered all of that in your simultaneous post. Thanks! One of the most useful recent threads: nice one.


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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:40 am
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Heres the strat nut

http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/Earvana_Fender_Style_Retrofit_Nut_Ivory_EVFRI-1FB

the screws aren't much of a problem, i wouldnt worry about em, or consider the Lsr replacement
http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/Earvana_Fender_LSR_Style_Nut_EVFLSRI-1
One piece, no screws.

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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:52 am
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I expressed curiousity about the Buzz Feiten Tuning System in my post here.
Kind of a similar topic soo...

No screws on the LSR roller nut replacement?
Even my LSR nut itself has screws... what is it then, glue?

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nikininja wrote:
Heres the strat nut

http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/Earvana_Fender_Style_Retrofit_Nut_Ivory_EVFRI-1FB

the screws aren't much of a problem, i wouldnt worry about em, or consider the Lsr replacement
http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/Earvana_Fender_LSR_Style_Nut_EVFLSRI-1
One piece, no screws.


Thanks for the link, it answered some questions! :)


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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:49 am
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Just boosting this thread back to the top... If you're around, Niki, its been about ten days: I'm itching to know how you are getting on with that nut.

And I wonder if BSS has plumped for one yet, as well?

I feel kinda torn on what I want to hear from you. On the one hand I'd love to discover that it is a simple way to revolutionise how the guitar sounds. On the other, I don't want to find that it is too good. If we fit it to some guitars it would be a drag if others then sounded unbearably poor by comparison.

I have certain guitars on which I don't want to mess with the nuts. But I don't want to start finding them disappointing alongside an Earvana'd instrument.

So; how are your nuts, gentlemen?

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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:16 am
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your worst fears are realized Ceri. Its far too good. That old squire series strat i had certainly leaves anything else i own or have played lately, coughing in its dust. Including the 57 hotrod. Now that i'm used to it everything else does indeed sound out of tune. I have indeed spoilt myself and my next guitar needs to have one fitted, so i guess its a custom shop job or a visit to a very good tech. The guitar is just about finished, its set up and sounding just the way i like it. The nut seems to add a earthy flavour to the lower mids, whilst also providing a strong treble side. Its very stable too, theres no real slippage happening. Even though the guitar has spent a night in the boot of my car, played a couple of impromptu jam sessions on wet building sites and has had the strings removed a couple of times to sort out earth problems and a new pickguard, It is staying in tune remarkably well.

Here it is.

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a drastic change from the white mexican squire it was 4 months ago.

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