If memory serves me, the Woodstock guitar may have gone the same circuitous route with another lady friend of his. I seem to recall a vintage dealer in midtown NY coming into possession of a white strat of his in that fashion, having shelled out about $250K for it. The name 'Ronnie' comes to mind with respect to this buyer. Worked for Sam Ash at one time I believe.

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Yes it was read I think in Wikopedia that Jimi at times would substitute a high E string in place of the B string so that he had 2 high E's just so he could bend easier. I also read those other threads on this group of how Noel Redding had originally been a guitar player at the time and finally switched over to bass just because Chas the producer (originally from the band The Animals) wanted to form them into The Jimi Hendrix Experience Noel being an originally guitar player had switched over to bass and lended Jimi a Telecaster to actually do Purple Haze & Hey Joe on. Actually it was Chas's mind to switch his name from Jimmy to (Jimi). He thought it would catch on faster and market him better. First he did was go to England to make it over there and then he came to the States to the Monterey Pop Festival which broke him big over here.

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Correctamundo - at Coney Island Ave and Kings Highway. The original Crazy Eddie store was nearby also.

That's an undocumented Internet Myth, abombaci.

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Actually, I don't believe that is a myth, I've read that in several different articles and documents since the mid-70's. This piece of trivia is credited mostly to the fact that at the time of the recording of "Purple Haze" Jimi had damaged the tuners on his one working Strat, during a performance the night before and used the Tele to record with since it was the only guitar in the studio. This is corraborated by Keith Olsen, and Mitch Mitchell.
It's well documented that Jimi was extremely rough on his guitars, and they were constantly being glued and screwed back together with whatever parts were not damaged beyond repair.

Harley

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Please just point me to a document where this is mentioned and I would greatly appreciate it. I first heard that Tele Myth a couple years ago. I've only seen it written in guitar forums and one fairly recent uncredited website. All of the reliable documents I have don't mention it:

Mitch Mitchell does not mention it in his book. Noel Redding reports in his book trading the Telecaster for a Gibson which he then traded for the Jazz bass he became famous for in Feb '67. He doesn't mention Hendrix using the Tele for any recording (but he does mention the basses he borrowed for early gigs and recordings).

John McDermott (and Eddie Kramer) are coming out with an "ultimate" Hendrix recording sessions book early next year. The closest their previous Sessions book comes to discrediting the Tele rumor is they talk about the extreme volume that Hendrix used with "his" guitar (not Noel's) on those early recordings.

Shapiro & Glebbeek's Electric Gypsy goes into great detail about who borrowed what and what they played on tracks and does not mention any Tele use on those early sessions.

I am checking my collection of the "Experience Hendrix" magazine (an official "family" publication that came out between 1997 and 2000, about 20 issues), but so far nothing on Tele use.

That's why I believe it's a myth.

I checked the earliest transcription of "Hey Joe" I could find; done by Andy Aledort in June 1990 issue of Guitar for the Practicing Musician. He says in his performance notes: "It's definitely a Strat through a Marshall, as is the rhythm guitar, and the tone of the lead guitar is warmer and rounder than the rhythm guitar."

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I cannot recall all of the places I have seen this, but I do recall reading this in a Guitar Player magazine in the early 80's, that was definitely one place.

Another place I believe I've read this was in an interview article with Eddie Kramer, he did state that Hendrix used a Tele for that recording. I'm not sure if that was in a book about Jimi's career or if it was in Recording magazine. What makes me believe that this "myth" is entirely possible, is that each time I've read this account, they cinsistently give the same reason for the Tele being used...damaged tuners from the evening before, and the Tele being the only available guitar in the studio at that time.

Please don't get me wrong, I do not claim to know this for a fact, but I have read this story in several places since the mid-70's. To me, a very young and very "Hendrix-infected" guitar player, I was astonished to think that one of the first songs I learned from Jimi and so desperately used to justify my need for a Stratocaster, was actually done with a Tele?!?!? It was unthinkable at the time, but after seeing it again years later, in different publications, I had to admit to myself that Jimi was just good enough to get his sound from any guitar he picked up.

I may still be wrong about this, and you may be right, but I do know that it was in print when I heard about it many years ago. This is the first time I've seen mention of this anywhere on the internet.

Harley

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I'd like to hunt down some sources for that claim. I wish I had more of the early '80s issues of Guitar Player. They did a special Hendrix issue in 1975. It was mentioned that Telecasters were always in the studio, but it doesn't mention any specific tracks on which it might have been used.

I collect a lot of Hendrix material: music and books and magazines, etc, and this Tele story interests me.

I never heard that story about broken tuners, but it makes a lot of sense.

I am of the opinion that a Tele and Strat aren't that different sonically; nothing that a few twists of an amp's knobs couldn't adjust for.

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I wish I could give you a more direct reference to this printed article, it's just been so long since I've seen this topic.
I do recall the 1975 issue you mentioned, that was a great one IMHO.
I can tell you this much which much help narrow the field of searching down: In the 70's all I read faithfully was Guitar Player. in the 80's it would have been that and Guitar For The Practicing Musician. The latter became my main source of info for the next 15 years until it disappeared.
I have quite a library of those old mags in boxes in storage which I'll be moving here to the house soon. I will comb through those and look to see if by chance I might have that anywhere.
If I can come up with anything, you can be sure I'll post it here.

Harley

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I have every issue of that Guitar For The Practicing Musician magazine (I was sad to see it end). I looked through a few just before (like the first appearance of "Hey Joe"). I made an index to the transcribed songs, so it's easy for me to find songs, but not to the articles, so it's hard to search for things.

The funny thing about myths is how they grow. Hendrix could very well have had to use a Tele at an early recording session because his Strat was out of whack, but that doesn't mean the tracks from that session ever made it to the master recordings. (We know how much Hendrix re-re-re-recorded songs.) And the myth grows to make it seem like he used a Tele on all of his hits ...

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Very true....there is a lot of speculation floating around about Jimi and things he did and did'nt do.
One of the reasons I pointed To Guitar Player Magazine is because in the 70's that was my only source for info in the music biz. I never went out fo the fanzines at the time since they appeard to be so fake and hokey to me even in my teens.
I do know that in the articles I am trying to recall where I've seen this published, they always talked about how Jimi was very abusive with his guitars and how his roadies were always trying to put them back together for him after the gigs.
There is one other item that I just recalled that may or may not be connected with the article we are talking about: I remember a picture in this article of Jimi, dressed in blue, holding a white Stratocaster across his lap, with a maple Tele neck on it!
I can't be sure if this is connected with the article I'm trying to recall for you, but I do believe it was shown in one of the many articles that talked about how Jimi tore his guitars up.

Harley

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I believe that would have been from a Newport concert, 1969. There are posters of him in the blue "karate" shirt with a Strat with a Tele neck.

Here's the cover of the upcoming Ultimate Hendrix book. If the Tele story is true, it sure ought to be in it! Eddie Kramer wasn't involved with the Hey Joe or Purple Haze sessions. The fact that Noel doesn't mention it in his book is the main thing that makes me disbelieve it. That would have been a little factoid tidbit that Noel would have been proud of!

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Cool Book!
I can't recall if Noel was even in the studio when this session was done. Now that you mention it, I don't remember who was in the studio with Jimi when this claim was made other than the engineer, and possibly Chas... it's been so long since I read that.
I will make an effort to track it down and see to it that it finds it's way here, and even make it available to you in hard copy if I can find it.


Harley

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I found the story! Sort of. No way was it "Hey Joe" though.

Here's what's in Noel's own book. He tells us that he traded his Tele to Trevor Williams for a "Gibson two-pick-up" which he used as part payment for his Jazz Bass on February 7, 1967. I suspected that Noel didn't own the Tele when Hey Joe or Purple Haze were recorded (October 23, 1966 & January 11, 1967, respectively).

But I found this story in the book: He talks about a gig on February 1, 1967 where Jimi's amp blew up and they had to play through the PA. Then he says: "A couple nights later, Jimi broke his guitar and I had to borrow my old Telecaster from Trevor Williams."

No other specifics are given about dates or what the Tele was used for. The implication is that the Tele was for Jimi to use, but for gigs or recording? Or both? So there could be pictures of Jimi using a Tele at a show.

I'll give more results on my research tomorrow as it's about sign-off time now.

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this myth is all over the web. I would like to add my 2 cents.
It is more plausible that Jimi played a Tele for one show or part of a show. Most likely during the early period when Jimi did not have a lot of money to buy guitars by the handful, and at the same time it is more likely that Jimi could have played a Tele for some minor overdubbing on the first record for the same reason as above.
I don't think that Jimi or Chas Chandler would have booked studio time during the early years to record just one song and bring a Tele just for one. So I would go with "overdubbing" for one or more songs than for the Tele to appear on just one recording.
I remember watching VH1 classic albums and Chas Chandler walking off the studio during the Electric Ladyland sessions because he thought Jimi was wasting time in the $tudio. As the producer and manager at the time he was conscious of studio time and its cost. One telecaster for one song sounds hard to believe.
I remain skeptical and would like documentation. I don't dismiss it but I don't believe it.

cheers