It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:07 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:36 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14045
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
jmattis wrote:
There's (at least) one thing not mentioned yet - maybe the most simple & obvious. How high is the trem plate?


As I wrote yesterday ; Reading / measurement of scale will tell.

In other word; a complete guitar set will fix it if done by somebody know how.


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:51 am
Offline
Amateur
Amateur
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:46 am
Posts: 133
stratele52 wrote:

It can't be the strings.


That because it's a new string??

One assumes strings can't be bad right out of the pack??

We know intonation is the distance from the nut to the bridge saddle.

And by adjusting the saddle foward or backwards adjusts the intonation of the string at the 12th fret.

A number of things can effect intonation.
Wish we'd get some pictures of the bridge, as this is turning into that other thread about intonation

_________________
This is my guitar, there are many like it but this one is mine.


Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:07 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14045
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
Eracer_Team wrote:


We know intonation is the distance from the nut to the bridge saddle.



No, this is guitar scale.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:46 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician

Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:56 am
Posts: 1677
Location: Coastal Bend, Tx.
Again.
I do not understand that.
Yeah, I don't know what I was trying to say there! Maybe a senior moment...

I'm glad I have ST52 at my disposal to let me know what I know.
:lol:


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:12 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:50 pm
Posts: 7998
Location: ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝsoɹ pןıʍ
:lol:

_________________
Image
Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:24 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:39 pm
Posts: 1339
stratele52 wrote:
jimmy_james wrote:
As suggested earlier check the string and try another.
Also see if the note changes the harder you press the string onto the fretboard. It really only requires a light touch. :D


It can't be the strings.


I would argue that point though I am not saying this is the solution.
If the string has a kink in it depressing it can effectively change its length by straightening the string thus altering its characteristics and exhibiting a difference in the note compared to the harmonic. :D


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
Offline
Amateur
Amateur
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:46 am
Posts: 133
it'd be interesting to see some pict's but it's probably better they took it to someone that can set the guitar up.

(Yes, adjust string scale length adjusts the intonation)

_________________
This is my guitar, there are many like it but this one is mine.


Image


Last edited by Eracer_Team on Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:39 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:50 pm
Posts: 7998
Location: ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝsoɹ pןıʍ
Eracer_Team wrote:
it'd be interesting to see some pict's but it's probably better they took it to someone that can set the guitar up.

Well, it's been over a week since the OP and no sign of return.
Possibly lurking but doubtful there will be a response at this point.
Usually if a newb wants to interact with people who answer the OP they monitor the thread and have input right off the hop.
I doubt we will ever know what the real issue was/is.
It's not the first time we've gotten into a debate/discussion started by a member with only one post.

_________________
Image
Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:08 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:57 am
Posts: 2235
Location: UK
BMW-KTM wrote:
Eracer_Team wrote:
it'd be interesting to see some pict's but it's probably better they took it to someone that can set the guitar up.

Well, it's been over a week since the OP and no sign of return....


He did have a look in on Tuesday so wasn't completely put off by the "Let's wait up to a week to approve a new member post, just to make them feel welcome" policy.

It is an issue as often we find possible new members, to our happy band of brothers, have found more receptive new homes in the interval. Granted their more receptive new lodgings may not be as gentile or knowledgeable as our sensi guru jedi masters but they are not to know that.

_________________
John

After all this time I should be better.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:49 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:34 pm
Posts: 6
Sorry guys, I was off for some time. Here is an image of my strat bridge.
If you can´t see the image please let me know

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uDUUj ... v_17zKb70q

Marcos


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:18 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:53 am
Posts: 4240
I see the pic, but I'd like to see another one; from the side showing how high the trem plate is from the body.
BTW, how's the intonation if you compare e.g. frets 2&14, 3&15..?


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:34 pm
Posts: 6
Hi jmattis. Here are 3 images showing how high is the trem plate


Last edited by MANIETO on Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:16 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:36 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:57 pm
Posts: 1089
Location: Rossendale UK
Is it me, or is it a trick of the camera or the light?
The action on that low E string appears to be very high in the photos.

As has been asked before, what is the neck relief, and how high is the action?

Image

Image

Image

_________________
Chris :)

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:41 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician

Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:50 pm
Posts: 1339
Location: Denver, CO, USA
I like fairly high action and .052 or bigger for the low E.

On several Strats or strat-like-objects I've had to clip the low E spring shorter, or even remove it entirely.

I suppose the neck heel, neck pocket, or bridge placement might have been slightly off. Never bothered to investigate because clipping/removing the spring was sufficient.
---------------------
When setting intonation, start with the saddles back farther than you expect them to end up. As soon as you tune to pitch the saddle puts a kink in the string -- if you need to move the saddle rearward that kink will be in the "speaking length" of the string and screw up the intonation.

So that low E is toast now. Take it off, remove the spring, move the saddle all the way back, and start over. Once the length is set look at the available space and decide if a clipped spring will fit or whether you should just leave the spring off entirely.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Intonation Problem
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:10 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:34 pm
Posts: 6
The action is as low as it can be. I tried lower action and start having problems like fret buzzing and bend muting. If you see high action in the photo it is probably a photo/light effect.
I measured the neck relief and is 0.011" which is in the low range.

Marcos


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: