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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:31 am
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What is this business about the truss rod being an issue?
Apparently the body needed to be gouged out to allow the neck truss bolt to fit! Sure all non bullet 70's era truss rod nuts will be similar, an early 60's neck truss would probably fit nicely to the body w/o modification.
Sure you have some valid points w/ the era correct case, the rest to my eyes aren't that redeeming. There is little originality to this guitar, imo and therefor impossible to validate its history or authenticity.


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:37 am
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What is this business about the truss rod being an issue?
Apparently the body needed to be gouged out to allow the neck truss bolt to fit! Sure all non bullet 70's era truss rod nuts will be similar, an early 60's neck truss would probably fit nicely to the body w/o modification.
Sure you have some valid points w/ the era correct case, the rest to my eyes aren't that redeeming. There is little originality to this guitar, imo and therefor impossible to validate its history or authenticity.


Fair enough. You have to trust your eyes. If it doesn't look like a '61, why believe it's a '61? I get it. To me, there's enough evidence to suggest it's a legit body. The pups, wiring, pickguard, etc have no bearing on the body, in my mind. Those are easily replaced and changed. What is there tells me it's a '61.

I appreciate the feedback. I'm glad it's drummed up conversation. It's clearly not a knockout Strat, but whatever it is suits me perfectly.


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:43 am
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If the body had even a hint of original finish or other original major parts, I would be more inclined to take it as it looks. Enjoy it as it is, hope it serves you well.


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:46 am
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As an aside, here is a '71 neck that is nearly a mirror of the neck on my bastard strat. Note, it does feature a different patent number.

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https://reverb.com/item/14374660-fender ... _sold=true


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:48 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
If the body had even a hint of original finish or other original major parts, I would be more inclined to take it as it looks. Enjoy it as it is, hope it serves you well.


Thanks, I really do enjoy playing the guitar. The neck profile is exactly what I need out of a guitar, given my low level of skill. Probably the easiest playing guitar I've owned. I can only think of a 60's Epiphone Olympic I owned for awhile that had a super chunky neck. That one was a great player.

I'm pretty sure this is original finish (sunburst) inside the input cavity.

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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:59 pm
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Talking of pin holes should there be one near the bottom screw of the output jack pictured? :D


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:20 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
Talking of pin holes should there be one near the bottom screw of the output jack pictured? :D


Not always. Here's a 1960 body.

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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:13 pm
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Don't lie......in a previous life here you used the log-in "toppscore", didn't you?

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Don't lie......in a previous life here you used the log-in "toppscore", didn't you?

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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:52 pm
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I’ve been reading up on early 70’s maple necks. For a short period in 1971, Fender offered one-piece maple necks. The market was dominated by rosewood necks, making these pretty scarce and sought after. Here’s a couple more listings I found.

https://reverb.com/item/1893746-fender- ... -one-piece

https://www.eddievegas.com/store/detail ... O-1971.php

https://reverb.com/item/4063442-fender- ... iece-maple


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:18 am
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Oliade677 wrote:
I’ve been reading up on early 70’s maple necks. For a short period in 1971, Fender offered one-piece maple necks. The market was dominated by rosewood necks, making these pretty scarce and sought after. Here’s a couple more listings I found.

https://reverb.com/item/1893746-fender- ... -one-piece

https://www.eddievegas.com/store/detail ... O-1971.php

https://reverb.com/item/4063442-fender- ... iece-maple


Sound. So you could sell the neck and make a few quid. Well done you.

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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:42 am
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I don't mind the value, but I'm much more excited to confirm that the neck is legitimate and a bit of a rarity for the time.

I took better pics of the pickups as well. You can see the original solder on the face of the pickup, and the rewiring on the back. My guess is they did not want to mess with the original winding of the pickup and used the back of the bobbin to make the contact. The bobbin is black backed and thick, two markings of a 60's pickup. You can also see the staggered poles, another characteristic found in 60's pickups.

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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:36 pm
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Oliade677 wrote:

My guess is they did not want to mess with the original winding of the pickup and used the back of the bobbin to make the contact. The bobbin is black backed and thick, two markings of a 60's pickup. You can also see the staggered poles, another characteristic found in 60's pickups.

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Well the stagger looks right.
That is how the pu wires are normally done, the coil wires pass thru the eyelets and the external wire is soledered at that point.
The cloth wires generally go thru that hole on the pu base.
You probably have to be happy with that purchase but it is a bitsa this and that without a history and not something I would have bought.
It is a shame about the body. Wonder when the humbucker was added. :D

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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:53 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:

Well the stagger looks right.
That is how the pu wires are normally done, the coil wires pass thru the eyelets and the external wire is soledered at that point.
The cloth wires generally go thru that hole on the pu base.
You probably have to be happy with that purchase but it is a bitsa this and that without a history and not something I would have bought.
It is a shame about the body. Wonder when the humbucker was added. :D


Definitely a mish-mash of stuff, some vintage, some more modern. I can understand why this type of guitar wouldn't appeal to everyone.


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Post subject: Re: '61 body with a '72 factory four bolt neck.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:11 pm
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Ohm reading for those interested.

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Mid pickup:

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And another pic of the pickup straight on:

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