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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:46 am
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... It's not likely worth more than a couple hundred, and by that I mean $200 max.

That is even generous...

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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:56 am
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Picture will show cheap import pots and switch.

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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:59 am
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I really appreciate everyone's educated input on the piece. Thank you very much. However it was the dating of the guitar that I was trying to achieve not a value. Every item I create with wood I don't really put a price on as I do it to make people smile rather than for monetary gain. Maybe I should have looked for a different site to have gotten information that may have help me determine its age. Thank you again. And all have a pleasant day.


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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:54 am
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I really appreciate everyone's educated input on the piece. Thank you very much. However it was the dating of the guitar that I was trying to achieve not a value. Every item I create with wood I don't really put a price on as I do it to make people smile rather than for monetary gain. Maybe I should have looked for a different site to have gotten information that may have help me determine its age. Thank you again. And all have a pleasant day.


If it had actually been a Fender Stratocaster this site could quite possibly have given you the date to within a 6 month window.

What it is is a couple of bits of wood, how can we say how old they are? You seemed pretty convinced they are a couple of bits of wood from 1977...how did you come to that conclusion? Perhaps you are right.

All we can say with conviction is it isn't a 1977 Fender Stratocaster or indeed a Fender Stratocaster from any year you care to mention. It might, none the less, be from 1977 or any time there after.

Aside a site of clairvoyants I'm not sure if anyone could help you as to how old it is.

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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:57 am
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JRock9648 wrote:
However it was the dating of the guitar that I was trying to achieve not a value

You said it was a 70s Strat.
It's not!
It's a 70s VSLO (vaguely Strat looking object).
If it was an actual 70s Strat you'd have had a lot of useful information, cos we understand real Strats.
VSLOs are a different matter. :D

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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:11 am
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Most likely early~mid '80s.

If you look only at the woodworking, it's MIJ/MIK quality craftsmanship. And it's impressive.

Body is actually very nicely done. Fender never did the layered/pancake/sandwich consruction so it's instantly, obviously, unmistakably not a Fender body. But if it was a solid color, we'd be looking at tiny details and arguing whether it might be real.

The non-Fender truss rod construction and the "off" headstock shape makes it look "cheap" to us. (And that style rod is used because it's a less expensive way to do it.) But it's well made.

Remember that when FMIC bought Fender from CBS in the mid '80s, they set a goal of improving US build quality to equal or exceed MIJ build quality.

This isn't one of the high end MIJs that almost bought Bill Schultz to tears. But for the lower cost models, they didn't skimp on craftsmanship, they just used lower cost components. Purely from a woodworking perspective, a lot of low end Asian guitars were gems.
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The Tokai forum has a section where they talk about other Asian copies. They might be able to tell you who made it and the approximate age.

The My Les Paul forum has a group of posters who are very knowledgeable about Asian copies. (Alvis X has a passion for the funky cheapass copies and might instantly recognize that pancake layered body and odd headstock shape.)


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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:33 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Fender never did the layered/pancake/sandwich consruction

They did with the George Harrison Telecaster

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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:59 am
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stratmangler wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
Fender never did the layered/pancake/sandwich consruction

They did with the George Harrison Telecaster

:mrgreen:

True. And the thinlines use a solid blank that's cut into 2 layers, the bottom layer gets hollowed out, then the top layer gets glued back on.

They just never did it for a normal Strat body. (If there's a CS rosewood Strat, that ain't "normal" neither. :wink: )

The wood species is questionable, but it could maybe pass as alder under some lighting? So less definitive than the pancake.


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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:08 am
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Was this post a clever joke that's going over my head? It's not even questionable. Looks like a high school wood shop project. Sorry to OP, it's not what you wanted to hear.

But let me just say this: If it plays well and feels good in your hands, the manufacturer truly adds up to nothing nothing other than "coolness factor". And I'll take a free guitar over paying for the coolness factor personally. You can either restore it or walk away from it and not think twice. Either way, you win.


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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:10 am
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Rumour has it that Fender did do a rosewood Strat for Jimi, but he never received it.
The whereabouts of the instrument is unknown.
They did sell a few rosewood Telecasters back in the day...


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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:38 am
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Looks like they did at least one CS replica. Check out that bridge cover.

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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:32 pm
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It is most definitely, absolutely not a Fender guitar.
So it is also definitely not a vintage one.
I'm with John.
No part of that guitar ever saw the inside of any kind of Fender factory or building.
Even the species of woods used are wrong.
There is nothing right about it except the general shape and the number of pickups and their relative placement.


It is worthless.
Unless you find the guy who built it.
That guy may think it valuable to him personally as a keepsake.

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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:48 pm
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JRock9648 wrote:
I really appreciate everyone's educated input on the piece. Thank you very much. However it was the dating of the guitar that I was trying to achieve not a value. Every item I create with wood I don't really put a price on as I do it to make people smile rather than for monetary gain. Maybe I should have looked for a different site to have gotten information that may have help me determine its age. Thank you again. And all have a pleasant day.

The money and value comments are merely a side issue.
The fact is, it is not a Fender Stratocaster.
It is some unnamed Asian copy of a Stratocaster, and as such, unless there is a name in one of the body cavities, there will be no way to identify it.
If you remove the pickguard and look at the pots, generally quality pots have a date code stamped on them.
While it won't positively date the body, it will tell that the body was most likely made around that time, or possibly some time before.
Then again, someone could have taken used parts stripped from a damaged guitar and put them into a newer body.

Main point being, you do not have a Fender Stratocaster. Beyond that, I'm not sure of the point of determining a date.
From the appearance, I would tend to agree that it is more than 10-15 years old, but even that is purely a guess without any solid basis.

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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:52 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
If it was an actual 70s Strat you'd have had a lot of useful information, cos we understand real Strats.

And some of us actually LIKE '70s Strats to the point that my next Partscaster build will be based on my '78 Antigua, but with some modern enhancements like AmStd bridge, Thinline body, and Hot Noiseless pups.... but I'm keeping the 3-bolt neck, big headstock, and bullet truss rod.

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Post subject: Re: Found Treasure
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:55 pm
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Look, all is not lost here ... If it is an Ibanez Strat copy from back when when they made those, those have some very good value. And even vintage (non-Ibanez) Les Paul copies and Strat copies often will drive far more value than (my opinion) what they are worth. None of that though will be nearly as much if it was a real Fender, but I am not one to say there is no value there since it is not a Fender. That is all. Don't get mad -- we were just trying to help. : )

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