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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:47 am
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CB91710 wrote:
Icepicks poked into my ears is less painful than positions 3 and 5 on that guitar.

Then again, it's that specific guitar, that specific pair of ears. My personal likings seem to lean on the trebly guitars, you may have a totally different view.
But that's not quite my point; I was mainly saying the pot value (alone) isn't the determining factor in the wiring. The AmDlxFatStrat doesn't have a rep for ice pickiness, AFAIK.

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when I use the letter H or use the word humbucker, I mean a real humbucker, not a silent single or noiseless single or a stacked single.
That means sided-by-side coils, each having their own magnet or set of magnets.

So PAF's; one magnet shared by both coils = not humbuckers..? :lol:


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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:35 am
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I opened up my Strat and it's routed for HSS so I'm all set there. I also checked the wiring and it's funny how different it is from the HSS. I get that the pickups are different, but even the way the tone controls, capacitor are different.

Also, I sent an email to Dimarzio this morning asking for how recommend wiring an HSS Strat as they don't have that diagram on their site. My experience with Dimarzio is they have been really responsive so I'm hoping to hear back in a day or two.

I'm leaning toward not wiring the Humbucker to a tone pot as I seldom use that. From what I've read about this setup I can stay with all 250K pots but the humbucker will see 500k when it's active. The MIM HSS Strat is wired so there is no tone control per the diagram that 64Galaxie linked (below). Does anyone knowledgeable in electronics know if this setup provides 500k to the Humbucker?

https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig%20...%20-27-16.pdf

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:31 pm
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kraftybob wrote:
All good information guys - thanks. I don't think I'm going to have time tomorrow to mess with this so probably sometime during the week.

I didn't specify above but this is the pickup combination I'm after:
1: Humbucker - no push/pull coil spit, just full humbucker
2: Humbucker split & Middle pickup (for quack)
3: Middle pickup only
4: Middle and Neck Pickup
5: Neck Pickup

I have no desire to split the coils in position 1 for a single coil bridge pickup option. I never use that on my guitar now so I'd prefer to not bother with that.

Cool... the factory Lonestar wiring from the PDF will do that for you.

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:38 pm
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kraftybob wrote:
Also, I sent an email to Dimarzio this morning asking for how recommend wiring an HSS Strat as they don't have that diagram on their site. My experience with Dimarzio is they have been really responsive so I'm hoping to hear back in a day or two.

For reference to translate DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan wiring colors to Fender wiring diagrams:

https://www.seymourduncan.com/wiring-di ... 16f848af0d
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So to install a DiMarzio into a guitar using the Fender diagram, where the diagram calls for:
Green use DiMarzio Red
White use DiMarzio Black
Black use DiMarzio White
Red use DiMarzio Green

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:52 pm
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kraftybob wrote:
I'm leaning toward not wiring the Humbucker to a tone pot as I seldom use that. From what I've read about this setup I can stay with all 250K pots but the humbucker will see 500k when it's active. The MIM HSS Strat is wired so there is no tone control per the diagram that 64Galaxie linked (below). Does anyone knowledgeable in electronics know if this setup provides 500k to the Humbucker?

The presence or lack of the tone circuit will not make a difference in the resistance that the pickup sees across the output. The pot and capacitor are in series, and when the tone pot is on 10, the circuit is effectively a 250k resistor with a capacitor at the end that blocks any low frequencies from passing. As you turn the tone down, the resistance is reduced, so higher frequencies are allowed to pass through to ground, but low frequencies remain blocked.
If the volume pot is 250k, that is the value all pickups will see.

It looks like the only difference between the HSS diagram that 64Galaxie posted and the Lonestar drawing is the 5-way vs Superswitch and the tone control linkage.
Both use 250k pots in all positions. The HSS is simpler and moves the tone control arrangement to be more similar to the original Strat wiring.

Since you already have a 5-way and don't want the tone control on the bridge, I'd go with that diagram.

https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... -27-16.pdf

Here it is using DiMarzio colors:

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:11 pm
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jmattis wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
Icepicks poked into my ears is less painful than positions 3 and 5 on that guitar.

Then again, it's that specific guitar, that specific pair of ears. My personal likings seem to lean on the trebly guitars, you may have a totally different view.
But that's not quite my point; I was mainly saying the pot value (alone) isn't the determining factor in the wiring. The AmDlxFatStrat doesn't have a rep for ice pickiness, AFAIK.

The AmDLXFat also uses a 500k for volume, 1 meg are only on the tone pots, and it uses Noiseless for the single coil positions. Noiseless seem not to be too dark with a 250k volume pot, but they can also live with a 500k.

My Climax has a G&L humbucker which appears to be similar to (perhaps farmed out) a Duncan Distortion, and the single coils are basic Asian imports from the early 90s... and all of this is running on a 1 meg volume pot and master tone.

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:12 pm
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When you say "bridge-side was best", do you mean to keep that side live for best for quack, or knock out bridge-side for the best quack?
Disable or knock out the bridge-facing coil. That's my opinion anyway. Not difficult to try both though - you might disagree!

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:13 pm
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When you say "bridge-side was best", do you mean to keep that side live for best for quack, or knock out bridge-side for the best quack?
Disable or knock out the bridge-facing coil. That's my opinion anyway. Not difficult to try both though - you might disagree

I would agree. A split humbucker using the bridge-side coil is going to be too close to the bridge. Output would suffer, and it's going to be pretty bright.
But it looks like the AmStd HSS is wired to use that coil.

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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:57 pm
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Rich, thanks for all the information and wiring diagrams. I really appreciate the time you spent providing me all that info.

I'm ordering an HSS pick guard tomorrow and will report back when it's all done.

Thanks all!

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:37 pm
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kraftybob wrote:
I didn't specify above but this is the pickup combination I'm after:
1: Humbucker - no push/pull coil spit, just full humbucker
2: Humbucker split & Middle pickup (for quack)
3: Middle pickup only
4: Middle and Neck Pickup
5: Neck Pickup


In position 2 you will likely be better off without a coil-tap.
Wire up your bucker with just two leads and use it that way.
Half of a humbucker is a weak sounding pickup and will not balance well with a single coil, noiseless or otherwise.
It will sound anemic and lifeless.
I've done it myself and I'm here to tell you it doesn't work.
There may possibly be a work-around solution somewhere out there but it will be tricky if there is.
For your purposes, it will be a better balance with a full bucker and the single coil.
You will still get quack.
I changed mine back to full bucker and it was the best move I could have made.

One possible option is Lindy Fralin pickups but that comes with built in compromises.
Lindy makes humbuckers designed for coil tapping.
He winds one coil hotter than the other one and uses the hot one when coil tapping.
The drawback is that the humbucker doesn't really sound like a humbucker.
It sounds like a very hot single coil.


About your wiring ideas, I am planning to rewire one of my Strats to a simpler version of what it is already.
Right now it has a Kinman K9 harness in it which gives 9 pickup selections but really the only extra feature I ever use is the bridge/neck option.
My plan is to wire the switch to the normal 5-way configuration but with only 1 tone control and the other pot (the bottom one) will be a blender pot to variably roll in the neck pup in any of the positions that does not include the neck.

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:44 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
kraftybob wrote:
I didn't specify above but this is the pickup combination I'm after:
1: Humbucker - no push/pull coil spit, just full humbucker
2: Humbucker split & Middle pickup (for quack)
3: Middle pickup only
4: Middle and Neck Pickup
5: Neck Pickup


In position 2 you will likely be better off without a coil-tap.
Wire up your bucker with just two leads and use it that way.
Half of a humbucker is a weak sounding pickup and will not balance well with a single coil, noiseless or otherwise.
It will sound anemic and lifeless.
I've done it myself and I'm here to tell you it doesn't work.
There may possibly be a work-around solution somewhere out there but it will be tricky if there is.
For your purposes, it will be a better balance with a full bucker and the single coil.
You will still get quack.
I changed mine back to full bucker and it was the best move I could have made.

One possible option is Lindy Fralin pickups but that comes with built in compromises.
Lindy makes humbuckers designed for coil tapping.
He winds one coil hotter than the other one and uses the hot one when coil tapping.
The drawback is that the humbucker doesn't really sound like a humbucker.
It sounds like a very hot single coil.


About your wiring ideas, I am planning to rewire one of my Strats to a simpler version of what it is already.
Right now it has a Kinman K9 harness in it which gives 9 pickup selections but really the only extra feature I ever use is the bridge/neck option.
My plan is to wire the switch to the normal 5-way configuration but with only 1 tone control and the other pot (the bottom one) will be a blender pot to variably roll in the neck pup in any of the positions that does not include the neck.


It's interesting to hear your experience with the humbucker split as the majority of the Fender wiring diagrams I viewed show the humbucker being split in position 2. I did read a thread where the person inadvertently wired their pickup out of phase and it was weak sounding. Wonder if that had anything to do with what you experienced?

But, based on what you said if I'm not satisfied with the sound then I will try what you suggested. Thanks

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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:06 am
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kraftybob wrote:
Does anyone knowledgeable in electronics know if this setup provides 500k to the Humbucker?

Back to basics/topic…
Now, I'm a total noob in designing wiring, trying to learn here, so proceed with caution.

But on the Rothstein "Smart LoneStar" wiring, there's the 470k resistor solution - probably just the one you've referred to. But it comes with the catch22:
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The trick is to do this ONLY when the 5 way switch has selected the single coil pickups, and NOT when the 5 way switch is pointing towards the humbucker. To achieve this, one must use a multi-pole 5 way switch, commonly referred to as a “super switch”.

That's from (chapter 7 on) http://www.guitar-mod.com/strat.html


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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:25 am
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And really, it's not that big of a deal.
The Lonestar and American Standard sell well and people don't complain about the tone.
You'll be fine sticking with the Fender wiring.

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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:41 am
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In position 2 you will likely be better off without a coil-tap.
Wire up your bucker with just two leads and use it that way.
Half of a humbucker is a weak sounding pickup and will not balance well with a single coil, noiseless or otherwise.
It will sound anemic and lifeless.
I've done it myself and I'm here to tell you it doesn't work.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, BMW! It DOES work electronically, but of course not everyone will like the sound. I think if you heard my Pearly Gates split with the standard 'noughties UK' single coil on my 2006, you may not like the tone but you'd agree the volumes are nicely balanced. And there's definite quack.

But I don't necessarily disagree that the full HB can sound good as well. You can't avoid losing some quack with a total of 3 coils engaged, though, to my ears. Depends on what OP likes. A spot of experimentation is called for!

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Post subject: Re: 2018 Standard (MIM) SSS to HSS?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:42 pm
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Well, it wasn't an exaggeration on my guitar.
It did not sound good.
It now sounds enormously better.
So good I likely will never do another coil tap for that sort of configuration.

For jmattis I will concede that a broad, sideways magnet might be the one exception.
Sorry, I didn't see your comment before.
Mostly I meant to address people (non-members mostly) who call silent singles humbuckers and identify the distinction.
That talk is prevalent elsewhere around the internet and presumably among our lurkers here.
It only creates problems and confusion in discussions like this to not make the distinction.

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