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Post subject: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:29 pm
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I have modded my Lone Star Strat to be an Elite strat with P-rail as humbucker (I added the S-1, the 5 way super switch discrete, and the 3 capacitors). I got rid of the push-push button and changed it to an on-off-on toggle that functions as a coil split that allows for 1) Slug only, 2) Full humbucker, 3) Rail only.

Trouble is, I had initially put it in the same spot as the Elite push-push between and slightly below the tone knobs, but that was impossible to work the toggle in that position, so I drilled a new hole between volume and position 5 end of the 5 way super switch.

Now I have this empty hole that is begging for a push-push (I do have a 6 lug push-push that I can use (is that still dpdt if its a push-push?)).

Since the S-1 and the 5 way super switch do some series/parallel options, I'm thinking of trying to add an in-phase/out-of-phase push-push, but I am not certain about the wiring of this, or if the sound difference is even worth it.

So, I am enjoying learning this stuff, and I do have that hole to fill (I could just tape over it too); are there other push-push options that would be more worthwhile? I'm happy with what I have, so just taping over it is fine (to keep the dust out).

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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:00 pm
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I would buy a new pickguard and lay it out in a way that works ergonomically.
But from your account of installing the PG, it sounds like the cavities are pretty stuffed now... that's only going to get worse as you add more functions. You may end up having to resort to routing the body below the middle pickup.

I know this is a fun project, I used to go gangbusters on modifying wiring.
Personally, I found that I rarely used anything more than the standard positions. I used to run push-pull on every humbucker, but always found myself reaching for a Strat or G&L when I wanted single coil tone. I don't think I ever once used an out of phase position (intentionally).
That said, one of my Partscaster projects will be a Tele body with the 4-way switch and Baja phase mod.
The other one will have an S1 switch to tie the neck and bridge together, at the same time, switching the tone controls from Delta (bridge and neck) to traditional, so I can switch between bridge/neck on one tone setting, and to the middle p/u with its own tone control.

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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:13 pm
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Yeah, I certainly don't plan on doing anything else outside of filling the hole with a push-push (I suppose I could put it in and not hook it up just to fill the hole--better than tape).

Thankfully, I've got a large routed out pickup cavity and a pretty deep control/pot cavity, so plenty of room for wires.

This is def my "project" guitar to figure out just what I am looking for. I know I need versatility from heavy metal humbuckers, that classic strat single coil sound (the rail approximates this for now . . . I may go back to Fender humbucker), and clear clean tones (the noiseless pickups in neck/mid give me this, but putting with the rail-only sounds great too).

Since I do have the spot for a push-push (as I moved the toggle that was there), any suggestions that might help?


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:49 pm
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Hardware stores often have plastic hole plugs, generally white, black, and sometimes brown. You might find chrome from time to time.
That would allow you to plug off the original P-P hole without being too obvious. Small dab of silicone on the back to secure it but allow for future removal.

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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:27 am
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CB91710 wrote:
Hardware stores often have plastic hole plugs, generally white, black, and sometimes brown. You might find chrome from time to time.
That would allow you to plug off the original P-P hole without being too obvious. Small dab of silicone on the back to secure it but allow for future removal.


https://www.lowes.com/pl/Hole-plugs-Spe ... 4294711044

Volcanoise, google plastic hole plug

Good electronic stores may have more choice


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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:40 am
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CB91710 wrote:


I know this is a fun project, I used to go gangbusters on modifying wiring.
Personally, I found that I rarely used anything more than the standard positions. .


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:44 am
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vocalnoise wrote:
are there other push-push options that would be more worthwhile?

I don't know of the worthwhiliness for you, and I have no idea on how to wire it into your current diagram, but one option is the "direct through/bypass/passing lane" button; bridge pickup straight to the output jack full on, without a vol or tone control. That'll shake the crowd for sure.

Another, maybe more common, is a kill switch.

BTW, I've lost count - how manyeth new topic on the same guitar is this..? :twisted:

stratele52 wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
Personally, I found that I rarely used anything more than the standard positions. .

+1

+2, and preferably single coils if a Strat.


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:59 am
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jmattis wrote:


BTW, I've lost count - how manyeth new topic on the same guitar is this..? :twisted:

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:evil:

https://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=113430

https://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=113423

https://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=113422

https://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=113427


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:03 pm
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re: posts on this project:

I keep forgetting that the Fender forum is not like other forums I participate in where different subject matter is preferred to be different posts so it is searchable easier for other users, particularly if they are looking over post titles to see where they could find the specific information they are looking for. . . Fender prefers for all subject matter relating to the same project to be in 1 single post, even if it is a different product (S-1 vs Fender Pickup vs 5 way super switch vs 5 way super switch discrete).

Now what if I start to mod my Tele? Should I keep that under the same post here since it's technically a "fender" product, or should I start another thread for a new project? And what if I want to mod my other strat? Should I be clear that it is, in fact, a different strat and create a new thread, or again, keep it under only one single thread?

On second thought, too many possibilities here--As I do start working on different guitars, I am bound to irritate y'all. Y'all do it your way and I'll just post elsewhere where it's more in line with how my mind works.


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:27 pm
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It's not just this forum.
Your subject matter is all related... your modifications of your Lone Star's wiring.
It actually makes it more confusing and difficult for searches when multiple threads appear on a search topic.

ToyotaNation had a user who had a habit of opening a new thread every couple of days. Ultimately, admin created a single thread just for him, "The #### General Automotive Discussion Thread", and any time he'd start a new thread it was merged into the general.
Ultimately he went off the deep and and caught a ban for making personal threats.

None of that is going to happen here... for one thing, it seems to take a lot for the mods to get involved unless it is something blatant... But it is much nicer when everything is together in one thread. It makes it easier to reference what has been done before, and what advice has been given, which helps make new advice more helpful, without the need for you to have to repeat your progress to that point.

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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:31 am
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vocalnoise wrote:
On second thought, too many possibilities here--As I do start working on different guitars, I am bound to irritate y'all. Y'all do it your way and I'll just post elsewhere where it's more in line with how my mind works.

The first time, in that other topic, my comment on these multiple topics was only meant to be helpful; "BTW, @vocalnoise, following the procedures & answering questions would be easier if you'd keep all the questions on this wiring mod in the same topic".
On this topic, I was trying to be funny - and note that I tried to help, too.

I'm sorry if either of those offended you, that was not my intention.

On 'how a mind works' aspect:
You have all the relevant info of your own project readily available in your brain.
But it's not the same with me. New question means I need to revisit what is the instrument, what are the components, what's happened before...
On one topic, that would be relatively easy.
Digging up the previous topics via your profile, starts to be a bother…

So in essence, I'm only saying help me help you... :wink:


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:24 am
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jmattis wrote:
vocalnoise wrote:
On second thought, too many possibilities here--As I do start working on different guitars, I am bound to irritate y'all. Y'all do it your way and I'll just post elsewhere where it's more in line with how my mind works.

The first time, in that other topic, my comment on these multiple topics was only meant to be helpful; "BTW, @vocalnoise, following the procedures & answering questions would be easier if you'd keep all the questions on this wiring mod in the same topic".
On this topic, I was trying to be funny - and note that I tried to help, too.

I'm sorry if either of those offended you, that was not my intention.

On 'how a mind works' aspect:
You have all the relevant info of your own project readily available in your brain.
But it's not the same with me. New question means I need to revisit what is the instrument, what are the components, what's happened before...
On one topic, that would be relatively easy.
Digging up the previous topics via your profile, starts to be a bother…

So in essence, I'm only saying help me help you... :wink:


Yeah, it makes sense from that perspective . . . I was just in a pissy mood after a crappy day and became a bit of a keyboard warrior, not usually my style. Appreciate the understanding.

I see how keeping one thread would def be easier for tracking details and progress on a project. I also see how separating questions into different posts would be easier to search when looking for help on a particular part (S-1 vs super switch details, for example).

I just put a note in my Fender bookmark title that will remind me to keep all projects in one thread--that's an easy fix for me to do.

Sorry for being a bit difficult last nite.

Thanks again for the patience and help!
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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:32 am
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jmattis wrote:
vocalnoise wrote:
are there other push-push options that would be more worthwhile?

I don't know of the worthwhiliness for you, and I have no idea on how to wire it into your current diagram, but one option is the "direct through/bypass/passing lane" button; bridge pickup straight to the output jack full on, without a vol or tone control. That'll shake the crowd for sure.

Another, maybe more common, is a kill switch.

BTW, I've lost count - how manyeth new topic on the same guitar is this..? :twisted:

stratele52 wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
Personally, I found that I rarely used anything more than the standard positions. .

+1

+2, and preferably single coils if a Strat.


Yeah, I had the push-push wired as straight ahead Elite with that bypass button, but preferred the coil split . . . what I had not considered was how difficult a 3 way toggle would be to access down there (bw the tone knobs), so I moved it. Now that I have the open hole in my pickguard, I may just put the bypass back in if I can figure out the wiring. The 3 way was far more simple than I thought since it happens before the super switch.

My other strat has 3 single coils, and I do like that. This one isn't quite as nice and is more for versatility, so I wanted that humbucking sound available . . . the P-rail gives me the option to use the rail only to approximate that single coil strat sound. . . it's not quite there, but close enough since I've got the real deal on my other strat.

Thanks again!
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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:20 pm
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vocalnoise wrote:
I was just in a pissy mood after a crappy day

Happens to all of us, it's all good. :wink:

Do you have a diagram of your current wiring? With a pic, someone (probably not me, though) could give an easy answer to the bypass mod.


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Post subject: Re: suggestions for push-push button mod
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:40 pm
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jmattis wrote:
vocalnoise wrote:
I was just in a pissy mood after a crappy day

Happens to all of us, it's all good. :wink:

Do you have a diagram of your current wiring? With a pic, someone (probably not me, though) could give an easy answer to the bypass mod.


I'll attach 2 links to images, the first is the whole diagram for the Elite strat, where I removed the push-push and replaced with the on-off-on, the 2nd zooms in on the on-off-on coil split. Apologies for sloppy handwriting and drawing skills. The wires from the humbucker (P-rails) are Seymour Duncan color setup.
Link of entire wiring setup: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1r9ya5 ... eDGsNqp0HY
Link of zoom into on-off-on: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Hgv0g ... 19uX6z5rLl

I'm hoping the bypass might be an easy add to this, I just don't even know where to begin.

Thanks y'all,
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