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Post subject: Lacquer Finishes and Peeling Decals
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:55 pm
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Hello everyone-

I have a Eric Johnson sig strat that I bought at a major retailer last fall. Yesterday I noticed that the Fender logo decal and the "Original Contour Body" decal on the headstock could be easily scratched off. Is this just a product of a thin lacquer finish? I'm pretty rough with my guitars and I don't mind some dings and scratches but losing the logo over time would be a bummer. Has anyone seen old strats with worn or missing logo decals?

I found a couple of related posts here on the forum but no solid info.

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Another thing - I notice the Fender decal on the head stock can very easily be scratched off. Could this be a mistake from the factory, or is this part of the added vintage because Fender decals in the 1950's were put on top of the lacquer.

Any ideas? Any fellow Hot Rod players have the same issue?

from: http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... ight=decal



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Hello fellow bottom dwellers,

I have just recently purchased a 62 Re Issue J/B I have just noticed that the Fender decal has a scratch through it. What is the procedure for obtaining a new decal from Fender?

Thanks!


Gravity Jim wrote:
Here it is, from this very website:

http://www.fender.com/support/faqs.php

Question Number 9 is yours.

from: http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... al+scratch

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:11 am
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Hello Riversitter,

I suggest,
resist the urge to scratch
at the decal and you'll be fine,

I never heard of one
falling off on it's own.

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:47 am
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Mr Bill wrote:
Hello Riversitter,

I suggest,
resist the urge to scratch
at the decal and you'll be fine,

I never heard of one
falling off on it's own.

Cheers.

lol. Yes I shall do my best not to pick at it. ;) Thanks for the feedback.

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think of it as a scab, don't pick at it or it will scar! as far as i know fender will not send replacement decals. maybe if you were to send it in to fender under warranty? but im not to sure if thats covered. best of luck that is a fine guitar regardless of how it may look!


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think of it as a scab, don't pick at it or it will scar! as far as i know fender will not send replacement decals. maybe if you were to send it in to fender under warranty? but im not to sure if thats covered. best of luck that is a fine guitar regardless of how it may look!

lol. :lol:

Actually it appears that you can get replacement decals if you jump through a few hoops. Maybe I won't need one for about 40 years if I resist the urge to pick. ;)

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Is it possible to get a replacement decal for my old Fender instrument?

In many cases, the answer is "YES!" To help us achieve the best match of available decals, take at least 4 clear photographs of your instrument, (the entire front, entire back of the instrument and a close-up of the front and back of the headstock). This will help us verify that it is indeed a genuine Fender product in need of a replacement decal, (if the instrument has the serial number stamped into the neck plate, please include a pencil "rubbing" from the neck plate showing this number).

Next, take the photos along with your guitar to the nearest Authorized Fender Service Center, where they will evaluate the instrument. After comparing the instrument with the photos, they will then mail the photos and neck plate rubbing to our Product Support team in Scottsdale. Once we receive the photographs, we will try to find the most accurate decal for that instrument. We will then send the appropriate decal to the Authorized Service Center. Note: Decal availability is limited to certain models, and while Fender does not charge a fee for a replacement decal, the Fender Authorized Service Center may charge a fee for providing this service to you.


from: http://www.fender.com/support/faqs.php#q9

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I'm not about to put on replacement decals. This one has lost half of the "Contour Body" decal and just the left-most tip of the "F." After 40 or 50 years, it's bound to happen!

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orvilleowner wrote:
I'm not about to put on replacement decals. This one has lost half of the "Contour Body" decal and just the left-most tip of the "F." After 40 or 50 years, it's bound to happen!


Very interesting.Are your decals under the finish or on top? It's kinda hard to tell on mine. I want to say mine are under the finish but one of my friends insists they are applied on top of the finish.

By the way, nice quilt. :D

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luclovesfender wrote:
think of it as a scab,


Oh Man!!! Now I have an almost uncontrllable urge to go pick the decal off my Strat!!! :(


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riversitter wrote:
Very interesting. Are your decals under the finish or on top? It's kinda hard to tell on mine. I want to say mine are under the finish but one of my friends insists they are applied on top of the finish.

By the way, nice quilt. :D


The decals are on top, hence the accidental scraping off of parts of them.
The new vintage reissues are the same way, for historical accuracy.

I'll tell my wife the guest room quilt got a compliment!

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orvilleowner wrote:
The decals are on top, hence the accidental scraping off of parts of them.
The new vintage reissues are the same way, for historical accuracy.

Thanks. That is good info.


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I'll tell my wife the guest room quilt got a compliment!

lol. My wife own a ton of quilts. I guess I'm a connoisseur now or something. ;)

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There's a ton of good info at http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html
and very few typos/inaccuracies from what I can see.

It says there: "Also it should be noted that 1968 and later Fenders are not entirely Aliphatic Urethane Coating (AUC). What Fender did was seal the body (as always), and then spray the sunburst colors with lacquer. Now instead of using lacquer as the clear coat over the sunburst, they just sprayed two coats of AUC. Also the face of the peghead stayed entirely lacquer, even though the rest of the neck was spray with AUC. This happened because the peghead "Fender" decal reacted with AUC. The problem occured because in 1968 Fender now clearcoated *over* the peghead decal for the first time."

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Think i could have the same problem with my hotrod. Logo ontop of the finish. would it be possible to spray a couple of coats of nitro over the headstock to help protect the logo a bit? Applying the logo after the finish has got to be one of the stupidest idea's since the piano keyboard neck tie, historical relevance or no. Theres just no need for it on modern guitars. Ok in the 50's they had their reasons but they got round the problem. Same reason they include 5way switches in some of their guitars, its an improvement.

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What is surprising about this is the possibility that the EJ Sig has the decal on top of the finish, "for vintage authenticity". That guitar includes many period features because Eric Johnson is a big admirer of certain things about his vintage Strats (most of which were stolen from him, I believe?).

However, he is no purist: that Sig also includes several very non-vintage accoutrements, as and when Eric thinks they are better. For example, the 12 inch radius fingerboard, the staggered tuners and stepped back peghead face, making stringtrees unnecessary.

It is bizarre to think he specified decal above finish, just because that was they way they did it back in the day.

By the way, it is perfectly possible to add lacquer over the finish to protect the decal. Provided you use the correct lacquer for the particular neck: nitrocellulose or polyurethane, as appropriate. And provided you know how to shoot lacquer...

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Post subject: Re: Lacquer Finishes and Peeling Decals
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:33 pm
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Hello! I'm sorry. I know that this is an old post.

I was just wondering if the decal problem is the same with 04-05 Highway one strats?


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Post subject: Re: Lacquer Finishes and Peeling Decals
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:27 am
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Hello! I'm sorry. I know that this is an old post.

I was just wondering if the decal problem is the same with 04-05 Highway one strats?


Not as far as I am aware . Only AVRI's and some signature models and Custom Shop reproductions have the logo on top of the lacquer.

Certainly the MkII HWy1's (post 06) have the decal under the lacquer.

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