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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:28 pm
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I see this thread is still alive. Good explanation of fret out. I don't think the OP is experiencing fret out as I did not hear string bending in his clip. Back to the clip. From what I hear, his electronics seem to be working. All 5 selections can be heard and sound like what they are supposed to. His setup seems reasonable and on the high side. Perhaps he can give a little more detail of the problem


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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:04 pm
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I didn't think so either but he asked what is was, so ....
I still suspect it's his amplifier.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:09 pm
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So, is this some sort of troll? I just wasted 2:04 minutes listening to scales over and over, waiting to hear something wrong or abnormal about the guitar's tone.

I hear lots of issues with the playing, but the guitar itself just sounds like a Strat.


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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:20 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
So, is this some sort of troll? I just wasted 2:04 minutes listening to scales over and over, waiting to hear something wrong or abnormal about the guitar's tone.

I hear lots of issues with the playing, but the guitar itself just sounds like a Strat.
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Yep. Sounds kind of like my Strat. Perhaps he should look at his tone controls on the amp and guitar. That usually makes a difference. :D


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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:05 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
So, is this some sort of troll? I just wasted 2:04 minutes listening to scales over and over, waiting to hear something wrong or abnormal about the guitar's tone.


Ayup.

He's been jerkin' yer gherkin all along.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:40 pm
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Shoot!
I didn't even notice there was a link.
There is more than 2:04 there.
There's a half dozen or so clips, some of which do sound a bit off but I think you guys are right and I fell for it.
I should look closer next time, I guess.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:02 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
So, is this some sort of troll? I just wasted 2:04 minutes listening to scales over and over, waiting to hear something wrong or abnormal about the guitar's tone.

I hear lots of issues with the playing, but the guitar itself just sounds like a Strat.

hi
sorry you wasted 2.04 mintues , but i appreciate it
changed strings with brand new d'addario yesterday , i tried several amps
the volume know doesn't work correctly , it does change volume only from 8 to 10
as soon as i can i will bring my guitar to a good luthier to check it and fix it
thanks , I appreciated your 2.04 wasted minutes


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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:12 am
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While I love the illustrations I'm not sure I agree with the fretting out analogy although I admit I am probably reading it wrong and think I see what you are saying.

When bending the string is in constant contact with the fret so it wont choke on that fret.

The issue is relative to the strings fretted position, the height of the saddle and the path of the string to that saddle once bent. But it would make my head hurt to try to explain that. Perhaps you did and I am not reading it correctly and I apologise if that is the case.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:38 am
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John Sims wrote:
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The issue is relative to the strings fretted position, the height of the saddle and the path of the string to that saddle once bent. But it would make my head hurt to try to explain that....


Here goes:-

Get a cylinder (assume the two fingered guitarist salute) and place your pointer finger and small finger on the face of the cylinder (mug, bottle can what ever comes to hand). With the fingers in line with length of the cylinder the tips can see each other.

If you move one finger across the face of the cylinder it, in effect, goes over the horizon and the tips can no longer see each other,

The "Seeing" is a straight line and could be considered as the string.

If the fixed finger was raised above the face of the cylinder slightly, on a tiny tiny stool, the seeing or string between the two would be free to vibrate.

As the finger not on the stool now moves across the cylinder it will be able to see the finger on the stool for longer than before but will still go over the horizon eventually.

If the stool was higher then the tips would see each other for longer.

The stool is your saddle and the higher the saddle the more you can bend before fretting out, or going over the horizon.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:41 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
So, is this some sort of troll? I just wasted 2:04 minutes listening to scales over and over, waiting to hear something wrong or abnormal about the guitar's tone.


Ayup.

He's been jerkin' yer gherkin all along.

:mrgreen:
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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:02 am
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John Sims wrote:
While I love the illustrations I'm not sure I agree with the fretting out analogy although I admit I am probably reading it wrong and think I see what you are saying.
If you mean it doesn't apply here, I agree. I don't think fretting out is the OPs problem. He just asked what it was and I had the pics handy already.

If by that you meant you don't agree with the concept of fretting out, the fret the string is being fretted on is not the issue, as you rightly pointed out. The issue is that all of the other frets between that point and the saddle also follow the same radius and are on the same plane and those frets can stop the string vibrating because the hump can get in the way. Naturally, it is usually the very next fret since it is closest to where the string is low to the fretboard. That's assuming a good fret job on a good neck. Sometimes a too-high fret further up the board can be the offender as well.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:16 am
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drugus wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
So, is this some sort of troll? I just wasted 2:04 minutes listening to scales over and over, waiting to hear something wrong or abnormal about the guitar's tone.

I hear lots of issues with the playing, but the guitar itself just sounds like a Strat.

hi
sorry you wasted 2.04 mintues , but i appreciate it
changed strings with brand new d'addario yesterday , i tried several amps
the volume know doesn't work correctly , it does change volume only from 8 to 10
as soon as i can i will bring my guitar to a good luthier to check it and fix it

thanks , I appreciated your 2.04 wasted minutes



Let's compare that to your original post.
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hi
how caould my mim strato become opaque in few months?
when i bought it , it was full of treble , now there are lots of bass and midtones , and so few treble
when i bought i had to change my amp and my boss multieffect patches ,just because it sound with so many trebles
now it's so opaque

what could cause it?
i have connected to my computer and record via usb
can you please listen it ?
some recording have low volume so i have normalized
i have recored starting with the neck pick up , neck pick+middle pickup , middle pickup ,middle+bridge,bridge
https://soundcloud.com/user-791646499/sets/test-guitar
thanks



Now let's go back to my original response.
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Your pots don't "go bad" in a couple of months even if you play your guitar 24/7.
Have you been adjusting things on your guitar?
You tweaking with things like saddles and pickups?

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:50 pm
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Btw a string can " fret out" if the frets are not level without doing string bends.

If you walk up the neck a fret at a time, some notes may ring clear and some may buzz a little bit like its "got some hair" and next one clear again.
That's the sound of a fretted out string hitting the next fret up.

This might not be the case here, as we have a recording to listen to

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