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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:20 pm
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What kind of amp are you using?

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:24 pm
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What kind of amp are you using?

+1

Dead strings through a POS amp could definitely be the fundamental cause.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:28 pm
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So the current strings have been on for two months? That is probably the issue.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Blimey, John, what do you reckon on two YEARS, then?

I prefer old/dead strings - and I'm not alone in this. If they ain't broke, I don't change 'em! Although when one breaks or goes rusty, I do put a new set on. And the tech I use insists on putting a new set on when he does a setup. Apart from the sonic 'benefits', does he think I'm made of money?

Seriously. it's a testament to modern strings (I always use D'adds) that they last so long, even with all the bending they get from me. Really can't see OP's problems all resulting from strings a few weeks old, played an hour a day...

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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:52 pm
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Peter S wrote:
Really can't see OP's problems all resulting from strings a few weeks old, played an hour a day...

OP seems to have a LOT of odd issues that make me wonder if he was not scammed with a Chinese copy and not a legit MiM Strat.
Fret wear, some strange thing with the truss rod adjustment, now changes in tone after a short time...

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:07 pm
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At this point I'm thinking something has gone amiss with the amplifier but it's hard to say without knowing more about the amp. Could be some setting has changed, like a bright switch or if it's a digital variety some parameter could have been changed and saved. Hard to say.

Clearly something out of the ordinary is going on here but I think we can safely assume that unless he spilled a Coke inside his control cavity or maybe gives the guitar a daily immersion baptism in motor oil we can probably rule out a potentiometer going bad just from a couple of months of play.


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Really can't see OP's problems all resulting from strings a few weeks old, played an hour a day...

That depends.
I used to play with a guy who had extremely clammy hands and there was also something a bit wonky with his ph balance or something like that because his hands could eat a set of strings in a week at a couple hours a day.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:00 am
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Peter S wrote:
Blimey, John, what do you reckon on two YEARS, then?

I prefer old/dead strings - and I'm not alone in this. If they ain't broke, I don't change 'em! Although when one breaks or goes rusty, I do put a new set on. And the tech I use insists on putting a new set on when he does a setup. Apart from the sonic 'benefits', does he think I'm made of money?

Seriously. it's a testament to modern strings (I always use D'adds) that they last so long, even with all the bending they get from me. Really can't see OP's problems all resulting from strings a few weeks old, played an hour a day...

Cheers - Peter.


Only two years? :-) I agree about breakages, I can't remember the last time I had a string break.

I tend to keep a set going until they either get changed because of other work on the guitar (pickguard change etc) or they become a biohazard. Every time I think "Wow that sounds really bright now." That's why I like vintage style tuners as you can often remove the strings from the capstans to get at the pickguard and put them back afterwards without issue.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:05 am
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...OP seems to have a LOT of odd issues that make me wonder if he was not scammed with a Chinese copy and not a legit MiM Strat.
Fret wear, some strange thing with the truss rod adjustment, now changes in tone after a short time...


I agree. The OP does seem to be having a lot of issues otherwise.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
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Changing strings every 3-4 weeks with only 1hr play time a day seems a bit excessive and a good chance of opening a pack of strings with dead string in it.

If the guitar sat in the case for a year, I would say maybe the neck might need adjustments.

Put a capo on the first fret, hold down the last fret.
Take a standard business card or standard sheet of paper folded over.
This is about .008 inch thick
The card should just fit between the 7th fret and the string.
If the card/paper has to lift the string to get between fret/string your strings are probably choking on the frets.

It's any easy test

(finally got to listen to your recording.. sounds like its fretting out)

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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:34 pm
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Changing strings every 3-4 weeks with only 1hr play time a day seems a bit excessive and a good chance of opening a pack of strings with dead string in it.

Agreed. When I was playing a couple of hours a day, I'd change strings maybe every 8 weeks unless they started to feel grungy... but I also used Dean Markley Blue Steel, which I believe were stainless.
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If the guitar sat in the case for a year, I would say maybe the neck might need adjustments.

Put a capo on the first fret, hold down the last fret.

Setup was covered in his last thread, where he decided to adjust all 6 strings to 2mm height (from what fret, we don't know), which is in the ballpark at around 5/64 if he's measuring at the 12th.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:54 pm
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Changing strings every 3-4 weeks with only 1hr play time a day seems a bit excessive and a good chance of opening a pack of strings with dead string in it.

If the guitar sat in the case for a year, I would say maybe the neck might need adjustments.

Put a capo on the first fret, hold down the last fret.
Take a standard business card or standard sheet of paper folded over.
This is about .008 inch thick
The card should just fit between the 7th fret and the string.
If the card/paper has to lift the string to get between fret/string your strings are probably choking on the frets.

It's any easy test

(finally got to listen to your recording.. sounds like its fretting out)

hi
have you changed the volume pot and the electronic? You told me you have ordered it

what does it mean "like its fretting out" ?
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what does it mean "like its fretting out" ?
thanks

The strings are adjusted too low and are being dampened by the top of the frets.
Like we said in the other thread on setup... the string height and neck adjustments recommended by Fender are a starting point for a good setup. Every guitar is different, and if it doesn't feel or sound right at those settings, then things need to be adjusted slightly.

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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:02 pm
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drugus wrote:
what does it mean "like its fretting out" ?
thanks

The strings are adjusted too low and are being dampened by the top of the frets.
Like we said in the other thread on setup... the string height and neck adjustments recommended by Fender are a starting point for a good setup. Every guitar is different, and if it doesn't feel or sound right at those settings, then things need to be adjusted slightly.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:23 am
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Also if all the frets are not level a string could touch the next fret(s) in front of it.

I had a Epiphone Sheraton that had 3 frets high, took it to the shop where they leveled everything for me.


No parts are not here.

No your problem is not the same as mine and electronics will not help you.

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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:50 pm
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drugus wrote:
what does it mean "like its fretting out" ?


Here is a cross-section of a neck profile.
Your perspective in this pic is from the point of view of the bridge, looking towards the headstock.
You ARE the bridge and you are looking toward the headstock.
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The red dot is the string, in this case the high E or the 1st string.
The arrows show the action height.
The little black dot is the centre of the string diameter.
Remember this is a cross-section (a slice) and you are the bridge, looking in the direction of the headstock.
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Normally when you fret a note you press the string down onto the fretboard in the direction of the arrow here.
Since the saddle and nut heights don't change you are bending the string when you press and fret it.
The lower black dot is the centerline of the string at the place where the string contacts the fretboard.
So, directly underneath your fretting fingertip.
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Now you are going to bend your note by sliding the fretted string across the width of the fretboard.
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You can see how the area of the string indicated by the arrows is coming into contact with the hump that is created by the radius of the fretboard.
That section of the string (between the saddle and where your finger is bending the fretted string) should be vibrating but it cannot because it is coming into contact with the other frets between the saddle and the the bent note.
As you slide the fretted string across the fretboard the hump created by the radius increases in size.
The farther you bend, the bigger the hump.
When you bend far enough to cause this interference so the note stops ringing (the string stops vibrating) it is called fret out.
The note was singing and it should have sustained much longer but you stopped it singing because you pushed it far enough that the hump got in the way of it vibrating.
The note fretted out.
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I exaggerated the hump in this pic just a little to illustrate the point.
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Post subject: Re: how could my strato become opaque in few months?
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:58 pm
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This is how the fretboard radius is measured.
As you can probably imagine, a larger radius equals a flatter fretboard so the hump that a bent note encounters is lower.
This allows guitars with larger radius boards to have a lower action and still provide enough clearance to bend notes.
If you never bend notes then this is not an issue.
If you do bend notes your action will need to be high enough that you have sufficient clearance.
Shredder style guitars typically have larger radius boards so the can have lower action while still being able to bend notes.

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