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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:46 am
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John Sims wrote:

...Because you asked the luthier to make it so you could adjust it (a strange request) perhaps he put washers behind the nut (or put in a longer nut) to make it stick out. .......

If this is what was done I personally wouldn't be happy as it greatly reduces the thread bearing in the nut unless a long nut was used.


As it would seem my guess is correct, I hope he used a longer nut.

I don't really see the point as I have found, with a scallop in the pick guard, you can still adjust the neck if needed using a large flat bladed screwdriver even without loosening the neck screws.

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:48 am
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It still looks like a dog's breakfast, and if it were mine that would grind my gears :wink:


Ditto.

It upsets me just looking at the pictures.

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:58 am
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stratmangler wrote:
It still looks like a dog's breakfast, and if it were mine that would grind my gears.

+1000

I hate to see a premium guitar that looks like rawass due to incompetence and ignorance.

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:08 am
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might I please see a picture of your truss rod nut please?
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Same as yours and I fix many customer's vintage guitars.


my english is not very good
what do you mean for fix many vintage guitars? I repair guitar since 20 years
do you think do i need to replace the nekc or? NO
how should i fix it? f you ask this question, I suggest to bring the guitar to a qualified luthier

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:50 pm
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I'll join the choir: that guitar needs a setup by a good pro.
Do not use the "lutist" who did that to the guitar again.

On the questions you asked:
about the strato quality about about '90?
You say it's a '57 Reissue, so it's a made-in-Japan guitar? (What's the start of the serial number?) IMHO, the ST-57's of the era were/are very good guitars.
are they shield?
If it's factory stock, no. The pickguard should have a piece of foil in the underside, but the body routings aren't foiled or shield painted. One note here: the circumstances where you play decide if you need more shielding or not.


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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:26 am
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jmattis wrote:
I'll join the choir: that guitar needs a setup by a good pro.

Do not use the "lutist" who did that to the guitar again.

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It is not a luthier to me it is a handy man :(


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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:37 am
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stratele52 wrote:
jmattis wrote:
I'll join the choir: that guitar needs a setup by a good pro.

Do not use the "lutist" who did that to the guitar again.

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It is not a luthier to me it is a handy man :(


OP is in Rome.
The Italian for luthier is the same as for player (at least that's what Google Translate comes up with). Liutaio.
Hence the confusion.

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:15 am
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stratmangler wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
jmattis wrote:
I'll join the choir: that guitar needs a setup by a good pro.

Do not use the "lutist" who did that to the guitar again.

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It is not a luthier to me it is a handy man :(


OP is in Rome.
The Italian for luthier is the same as for player (at least that's what Google Translate comes up with). Liutaio.
Hence the confusion.


IMO in Italy there are not many guitar tech, good luck to find a good one. I could be wrong too
I do fews trips in Italy and all music stores I see are very small with not many stuff.


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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:32 am
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drugus wrote:
but how can i change my neck relief and use the truss rod nut if it 's not enough far out ?
well when i was new , i could not even see the nut and i have asked to the luthier to do it
so i can tweak it

Wait... the pictured damage was done after you purchased it?
Your "Luthier" seriously hurt the value of that guitar. Hopefully he did not damage the threads on the truss rod. The pickguard needs to be replaced.
No professional "luthier" would have given you a completed job that looks like that.

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:12 am
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Hint: re-issue mean a replica of a device in 'X' period of time.

This guitar would have "mimicked " a 57 of it's time and YES the truss-rod screw was at the 'butt' end of the neck.
As players of the day found out, it's a PIA to adjust the truss rod without doing something with the neck screws and lifting the end of the neck.

Hence the started putting the truss rod nut at the tuner end of the guitar.

That's what you bought was a 57, gotta live with the limitations

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:57 am
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To the op though take the strings off undo the neck and if the nut on the rod is the original try turning it.
If you meet severe resistance stop and get a pro to look at it otherwise adjust it so it is back in the right spot. Do not over tighten.There is plenty of info on the net.
Tidy up the pickguard. You could unscrew it and get a roundish file to smooth out the rough job done.
Hope everything will be ok. :D


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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:26 pm
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Ya, I'm hoping that the "lutist" only stacked washers under the nut. If that's the case, then there is no damage to the neck.
The pickguard... that can be filed smooth, but it will never look right.

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:56 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
To the op though take the strings off undo the neck and if the nut on the rod is the original try turning it.
If you meet severe resistance stop and get a pro to look at it otherwise adjust it so it is back in the right spot..


I am assuming the luthier didn't just undo the nut until it stuck out, so this wouldn't work.

He has either removed the nut and stacked washers behind it or fitted an extended nut. Judging by the quality of the work I would anticipate he just stacked washers behind it; so you would need to remove the nut and the washers before screwing the nut back in.

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:29 am
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Hint: re-issue mean a replica of a device in 'X' period of time.

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That's what you bought was a 57, gotta live with the limitations


You don't by a Brown Bess and then complain that it only shoots one round at a time?

The Stratocaster is a fascinating guitar because you can follow its evolution from inception to today. People buy original 50's Strats because of their history and magical tone through age, their feel (and in part because they can). People perhaps by reissues for several reasons; they hope they will recreate the magical tone of an original, they like the shape/feel of the neck/body, they are interested in the history, they think it will make them look cool, they can't afford or source an original.

Of the above not all the reasons require that the instrument remains as an exact copy. This is why Fender get away with their "Original" series with the wrong neck radius.

I like reissue instruments (I can't afford an original) and seldom need to change my neck radius so the nut location isn't a problem. Done well (which in this case it wasn't) I can see how the modification could be a good one. It is a version of what they do on the Elite series after all. I agree that it will annoy the purist but not all reasons for owning a reissue mean it has to stay exactly accurate to the original.

In some respects I am surprised that I haven't come across this modification before. It is perhaps an interesting ponderence (well it is to me). Perhaps original vintage instruments have settled to the point they no longer require adjustment.

I do think the internet has encouraged the fascination of constantly adjusting the truss rod and I don't think people considered it as a necessity "back in the day". You could argue that the head adjustment appeared in the 70's so it wasn't the internet but I would counter that this was probably as a result of the three bolt location and micro tilt. Perhaps it was then that people became more inclined to adjust relief, because they could and micro tilt encouraged them to carry out their own adjustments?

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Post subject: Re: the best tool to adjust the truss rod reissue 57
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:00 am
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John Sims wrote:
I do think the internet has encouraged the fascination of constantly adjusting the truss rod and I don't think people considered it as a necessity "back in the day". You could argue that the head adjustment appeared in the 70's so it wasn't the internet but I would counter that this was probably as a result of the three bolt location and micro tilt. Perhaps it was then that people became more inclined to adjust relief, because they could and micro tilt encouraged them to carry out their own adjustments?

One big factor in constantly adjusting the truss rod is availability of different string gauges. In the dinosaur age, there were only thick, thick and thick. And btw, many necks were just about the whole log split in halves.


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