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Post subject: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:47 am
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I have a 2017 HSH Strat. Love it but I really want to relocate the volume knob as it gets in the way when palm muting or doing fast, repetitive arpeggios. My thought is to remove the neck tone knob, put the volume knob there, and have the lower tone knob control tone for both pups. To further complicate things, the bridge pot has a push/pull coil split. Ideally I would wire that pot to control tone on both pups and coil split both pups. Anyone tried this or have an idea if it’s possible?


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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:52 pm
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Anyone tried this or have an idea if it’s possible?

Yes.

The PP pot needs to have a 6-terminal switch on it. The bridge is connected to one side and the neck to the other. The ground is jumpered to both sides.

For merging the tone control, simply disconnect the wire from the 5-way switch going to the #1 tone pot, and reconnect the wire from the #2 tone pot to the output of the volume pot.
The capacitor will need to be moved from the #1 tone pot to the #2 pot.

Here's one way to do it with two P-P pots controlling the pickups separately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfZxgQlVRWY

This shows the P-P on the volume pot, but it doesn't matter which pot it uses:
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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:26 pm
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I may've missed something, but what you want to do is just move the vol pot further from the bridge? In which case the easiest way is to buy a scratchplate with no pot holes drilled. I've done this several times (from WD here in England). Then you can drill the holes wherever you like - within the limitations of the rout, of course, but there's usually plenty of room to move all three pots down a bit, or closer together, or lose one altogether...

It also has the advantage of being easily reversible as and when.

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:02 am
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Peter S wrote:
I may've missed something, but what you want to do is just move the vol pot further from the bridge? In which case the easiest way is to buy a scratchplate with no pot holes drilled. I've done this several times (from WD here in England). Then you can drill the holes wherever you like - within the limitations of the rout, of course, but there's usually plenty of room to move all three pots down a bit, or closer together, or lose one altogether...

It also has the advantage of being easily reversible as and when.

Cheers - Peter.


This I like.

In considering this problem I was wondering if moving, or loosing, the volume pot will make the selector switch more prone to getting knocked.

Neither issues tend to bother me much and I actually like he location of the volume knob for Beck like volume swells. I agree that it can get knocked but then most things in life are a compromise.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 am
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Peter S wrote:
In which case the easiest way is to buy a scratchplate with no pot holes drilled.

I was thinking about a plastic hole plug from a hardware store.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:56 am
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I agree that it can get knocked
You're right, John. It's just one of those things you get used to, isn't it?

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I was thinking about a plastic hole plug from a hardware store.
Depends if you're happy with the look?! Personally, I don't even like those scratchplates where humbuckers with 3 mounting holes have been fitted, and they've been redrilled for the standard 2-hole HB. So you get 2 empty screw holes on one side of the HB. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter one jot, I know, but I like things neat (before I abuse them)!

Seriously though, a pot-hole-less scratchplate from WD or similar must be very cheap in the States; we have to pay import prices over here and it's still only a pony or so.

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:26 am
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My thoughts.
This is standard configuration for Strat's.

If you adjust this guitar to suit your needs ok fine.

But what happens if you're somewhere, someone asks you to play a guitar that's available but now you can't because you're too used to your modd'd guitar.

I suggest adjust your playing instead

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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:45 am
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Eracer_Team wrote:
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But what happens if you're somewhere, someone asks you to play a guitar that's available but now you can't become you're too used to your modd'd guitar.
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Every guitar I have ever played feels different/unique for one reason or another. Just because a guitar is different doesn't mean you can't play it. Just because you have a preference for a certain type, shape, configuration doesn't mean you can't play something different.

I have 5 (5½ ;-) ) Strats. All are standard configuration; most I have total confidence in my ability to play but one in particular is a fight. It is just the way guitars are.

If you have a preference for the volume knob elsewhere then make it so. It wont mean you can't subsequently play a Strat, Tele, LP, SG, Flying V or 101 other different guitars.

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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:05 pm
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Peter S wrote:
Depends if you're happy with the look?! Personally, I don't even like those scratchplates where humbuckers with 3 mounting holes have been fitted, and they've been redrilled for the standard 2-hole HB. So you get 2 empty screw holes on one side of the HB. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter one jot, I know, but I like things neat (before I abuse them)!

Not too obvious if the plug matches the color... or even go chrome or brass to match the hardware. It wouldn't look any worse than the pushbuttons on an Ultra
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Seriously though, a pot-hole-less scratchplate from WD or similar must be very cheap in the States; we have to pay import prices over here and it's still only a pony or so.

Depends on your source.
Fender parts are anywhere from $35 to $90, closest to hole-less is a single humbucker with one hole.
Amazon can be as low as $10, but again, other than a pure blank (no pickup holes), the only 2-hole are H-H, and I don't see any no-hole.

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:10 am
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I don't see any no-hole
No, over here I haven't seen any standard Fender scratchplates with no pot holes either. That's why I mentioned WD, where you can custom-order one (and it'll be of equal quality). But it comes from the US, so I just guessed over there they'd be cheaper. I also thought other sellers of the same thing would be more common over there?

No, it won't be genuine Fender but you'll still have your original if you ever want to sell. Whereas a prospective purchaser may not be keen on a modded scratchplate. Just a thought.

But it's your guitar, and if you'd prefer to plug/redrill, why not?! :) Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:48 pm
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Peter S wrote:
.....That's why I mentioned WD, where you can custom-order one (and it'll be of equal quality). But it comes from the US...


It sounds like I might need to extend the travel on my CNC router to accommodate scratch plates. It is only big enough to do trem covers at the moment. I can etch designs into scratch plates now, but have to take two hits at it to do a complete plate.

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Post subject: Re: Relocating volume knob
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:36 pm
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John Sims wrote:
It sounds like I might need to extend the travel on my CNC router to accommodate scratch plates. It is only big enough to do trem covers at the moment. I can etch designs into scratch plates now, but have to take two hits at it to do a complete plate.

Set up two drawings with common index points.
I've seen this done on Youtube, works well.

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