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Post subject: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:48 am
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Hi:-)
Are these guitars all nitro finish? Or do they add layers of other type of laqauers?

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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:00 am
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DK-Strat wrote:
Hi:-)
Are these guitars all nitro finish? Or do they add layers of other type of laqauers?

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Yes Nitro if all original guitar finish.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:24 am
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If the question refers the the new American Original Series I recall reading somewhere that they have a thin Poly sealer coat but I may be wrong or may be confused with the preceding RI Series.

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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:27 am
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John Sims wrote:
If the question refers the the new American Original Series I recall reading somewhere that they have a thin Poly sealer coat but I may be wrong or may be confused with the preceding RI Series.



Title is about original 60 strat, original 60 to me are guitars built in '60, not the new ones built in 20XX....


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:08 am
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Hi.
The new original 60 strat series is what it's all about. Can't describe it better;-)
I have also heard about the non-nitro sealer.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:53 am
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A Strat made in 1960 would not be all-nitro. The bare wood was first dipped in Homoclad or sprayed with Fullerplast.

And on custom color finishes, the color coats were often acrylic lacquer, with nitro clear top coats.

Sometimes when they were in a rush they skipped the clear coat on custom colors, so some were made with no nitro at all.
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The AVRI series had poly wood-sealing coats under the nitro. That was very similar to the Fullerplast sealer.

Wildwood had some FSR "Thin Skin" all-nitro AVRI's made for them.
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Everything I've read say they went all-nitro flash coats for the Pure Vintage series that replaced the AVRI series. Historically incorrect, but that's what the market wanted.
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I have no idea what they're doing on the new "Original" series. Given that they've incorporated modern features like 9.5" radius in response to consumer demand, I suspect all-nitro because that's what consumers ask for.

OTOH, there were complaints about how delicate the finishes were on the Pure Vintage series. So they may have gone back to the more historically correct method of using a non-nitro base coat.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:03 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
A Strat made in 1960 would not be all-nitro. The bare wood was first dipped in Homoclad or sprayed with Fullerplast.

And on custom color finishes, the color coats were often acrylic lacquer, with nitro clear top coats.

Sometimes when they were in a rush they skipped the clear coat on custom colors, so some were made with no nitro at all.
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The AVRI series had poly wood-sealing coats under the nitro. That was very similar to the Fullerplast sealer.

Wildwood had some FSR "Thin Skin" all-nitro AVRI's made for them.
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Everything I've read say they went all-nitro flash coats for the Pure Vintage series that replaced the AVRI series. Historically incorrect, but that's what the market wanted.
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I have no idea what they're doing on the new "Original" series. Given that they've incorporated modern features like 9.5" radius in response to consumer demand, I suspect all-nitro because that's what consumers ask for.

OTOH, there were complaints about how delicate the finishes were on the Pure Vintage series. So they may have gone back to the more historically correct method of using a non-nitro base coat.


Thank you. This makes sense.
I'm about to choose a 60 series or one more AVRI that I love a lot.

I've been reading from different sources that the AVRI are all nitro with no poly undercoat.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:30 am
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Don't know what you've been reading, but it's well known that the AVRI's had poly basecoats. (Except for the Thin Skin series.)

Perhaps there's some confusion between the long-gone AVRI's and the Pure Vintage series that replaced them?

AVRI's were the '57RI and the '62RI.

The '56, '59, and '65 replaced those, and they were the all-nitro ones.

There may have been a '54 and a '69 too, but there's so much confusion about "American Vintage" vs "Pure Vintage" that Google gives muddled results. Many people continue to call the "Pure Vintage" series "American Vintage".

The "Original" series has also engendered much confusion. Are they "reissue" or "inspired by" models? Plus the confusion about whether you're talking about an actual pre-CBS Fender or a new FMIC Fender.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:21 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Don't know what you've been reading, but it's well known that the AVRI's had poly basecoats. (Except for the Thin Skin series.)

Perhaps there's some confusion between the long-gone AVRI's and the Pure Vintage series that replaced them?

AVRI's were the '57RI and the '62RI.

The '56, '59, and '65 replaced those, and they were the all-nitro ones.

There may have been a '54 and a '69 too, but there's so much confusion about "American Vintage" vs "Pure Vintage" that Google gives muddled results. Many people continue to call the "Pure Vintage" series "American Vintage".

The "Original" series has also engendered much confusion. Are they "reissue" or "inspired by" models? Plus the confusion about whether you're talking about an actual pre-CBS Fender or a new FMIC Fender.


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Okay.
I have the American vintage 65 series that was replaced by Am original.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:26 am
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Fender has really muddied the water on reissue nomenclature.

The Strat "American Vintage Reissue" series were the '57 and '62 reissues. Pretty accurate but not exact reissues.

Then they dropped the AVRI series. The '56, '59, and '65 were called either "Pure Vintage series" or "American Vintage series" (without "Reissue" as part of the series' name).

The '56, '59, and '65 were very close to exact reissues. Even closer than the old Custom Shop Time Machine NOS series.

The only thing historically incorrect about them was the pure nitro finish. As I said earlier, '50s and '60s Fenders had non-nitro wood sealer/base coats.

(Some sources say that a few custom color '50s and '60s were made without any wood sealer, just nitro or acrylic. But if so, those were even rarer than the '50s and '60s that just had a wood sealer and acrylic color coats. All-nitro is not representative of any regular-production vintage Fender.)

The new "Original" series have 9.5" radius fretboards along with some other "modern" features. Those features were popular FSR features -- many if not all of the AVRI Thin-Skin FSRs had 9.5" fretboards.

So they're using the word "original" in the sense of "new, a thing unto itself", not in the sense of "the original specs". As in, "instead of just recreating the past we should do something original".


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:46 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Fender has really muddied the water on reissue nomenclature.

The Strat "American Vintage Reissue" series were the '57 and '62 reissues. Pretty accurate but not exact reissues.

Then they dropped the AVRI series. The '56, '59, and '65 were called either "Pure Vintage series" or "American Vintage series" (without "Reissue" as part of the series' name).

The '56, '59, and '65 were very close to exact reissues. Even closer than the old Custom Shop Time Machine NOS series.

The only thing historically incorrect about them was the pure nitro finish. As I said earlier, '50s and '60s Fenders had non-nitro wood sealer/base coats.

(Some sources say that a few custom color '50s and '60s were made without any wood sealer, just nitro or acrylic. But if so, those were even rarer than the '50s and '60s that just had a wood sealer and acrylic color coats. All-nitro is not representative of any regular-production vintage Fender.)

The new "Original" series have 9.5" radius fretboards along with some other "modern" features. Those features were popular FSR features -- many if not all of the AVRI Thin-Skin FSRs had 9.5" fretboards.

So they're using the word "original" in the sense of "new, a thing unto itself", not in the sense of "the original specs". As in, "instead of just recreating the past we should do something original".


Thanks man.
Really cool info.
I think i go for a AM Vintage 59 just so that my 65 has a brother;-)
Have seen a few of them around, but they a hard to find.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:20 pm
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A few months ago I bought a BSB american original 50s telecaster to relic and make into a “micawber” replica. It looks good but unfortunately those are a thick nitro layer over a thick poly layer. Both layers are pretty thick. The luthier had to remove the poly on the neck with a razorblade to reshoot it in lacquer. We relic’d the body as best we could by sanding and scratching through the thick poly where needed, but left a lot of clear poly in spots which mimic bare wood.

I was initially encouraged because the nitro came off readily and I thought I was looking at bare wood, but come to find out it was poly. I had an american vintage 65 strat last year that I didnt relic, but the white nitro came off way too easily - when it bumped ANYTHING. I could see wood grain, so I thought it was bare wood too, but undoubtedly it was just clear poly.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:04 am
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Baronvonk, youwere seeing bare wood on that AV'65.

Super thin flash coats of nitro applied directly to the wood resulted in those delicate, fragile finishes. Not all of them flaked/peeled/chipped, but lots of them do.

Gibson does do all-nitro, but they put it on much thicker. The Wildwood ThinSkin Fenders didn't have super-thin nitro -- the "thiness" came from omitting the poly basecoat.


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:42 pm
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I am a bit upset about that AV 65 strat...if what you say is correct.... I loved it but couldn’t adjust to the 7.25 fretboard Radius well. The pickups were awesome and it sounded great. I wish I had kept it and just swapped the neck. I actually found it on the GC web site a few months back. Its very distinct bc its got a mint green pick guard I swapped onto it and the checking is recognizable. It was mis-labelled in the listing I saw. Hmmmm....


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Post subject: Re: Finish on Original 60 Strat series
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:03 pm
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Back in 1965 I took a sunburst 1959 strat down to the bare wood to refinish. I do not remember anything under the top finish but maybe a thin primer coat which should have been there to seal the wood for the top coat. I refinished it using an automotive primer and lacquer top coat rubbed out. Looked really good. I have a 2006 60s classic that supposed to be nitro. Its ment condition and looks really good.


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