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Post subject: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:35 am
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Can anyone recommend drop in replacement locking tuners for this guitar:

https://shop.fender.com/en-NL/electric- ... 63700.html

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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:46 am
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Nothing wrong with these.

https://shop.fender.com/en-US/parts/tuning-machines/locking-stratocastertelecaster-tuning-machines/0990818100.html#start=1


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:54 am
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Except, they're not a drop in replacement, which is specifically what I'm looking for.

I'm more interested in something like this:
https://g-gotoh.com/international/produ ... -mg-t.html

However, I'm not sure which ones to get as there's different size holes for the tuners in the head.

Thanks for replying!


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:10 pm
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It's a bit of a mine field.
The existing tuners are Ping with 9.2mm bushes and 6mm posts. The SD91 MG-T Gotoh should be a direct drop in BUT it may depend on the supplier. The existing bushes don't fit the 1/4" Gotoh posts.
Recently retail packs of standard non locking SD 91s have included 2 sets of bushes, the old vintage size 8.8mm and the current Fender standard size 9.2mm. Whether the MG-T version are also sold with the 2 bush sizes I don't know. If you find a supplier you might have to check with them that the 9.2mm bushes are included.


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:25 pm
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That's exactly the thing. Since you're saying I need the 9,2mm bushes I know what to get. I was sure that it would be the vintage size since the guitar is, well, vintage specced. It actually surprises me a little (why mix measurements?). Thanks!

Do you have (or have you had) the same guitar?


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:34 pm
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I have a 50s Classic Player replacement neck and fitted the Gotoh SD91 tuners last year from Music Store Cologne. They arrived in a Gotoh box with 2 sets of bushes so it was a relatively painless job as in the past I've used copper tape wrapped round the 8.8mm bushes.


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:48 pm
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Ah, a slightly different one. So strange, yours also says vintage style tuners, which means everything vintage except for the bushes then. :)

Thanks, I'll give it a shot!


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:32 pm
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Kluson makes the "Revolution" in that design,
https://smile.amazon.com/Kluson-Revolut ... ing+tuners
and they make the Revolution in locking, but I've had a hard time finding them available. I'd like a set for my SG but will likely settle for Gotoh and live with the extra hole.

Here's a set from Gotoh that is listed as locking. Mechanism locks from the top, so it retains the same back cover and even the slot in the end, though the slot has a different function.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B004MN92L4/ ... B00EB124RQ
https://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Pa ... uners.html
These show the post as .228" which is 0.008 smaller than your current Ping 6mm posts... might be OK

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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:05 pm
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Yeah, I've only ever seen those "locking from the top" tuners online, and never seen anyone in my area use them. Not sure if I'd like to be the first to use them. They do look really neat, though. Thanks for mentioning them. I just might ...


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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:23 pm
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Uncle Pecos wrote:
Yeah, I've only ever seen those "locking from the top" tuners online, and never seen anyone in my area use them. Not sure if I'd like to be the first to use them. They do look really neat, though. Thanks for mentioning them. I just might ...

My Tronical tuners lock from the top, but not like those Gotoh's. The Gotoh's use the same method as Sperzel and Grover... the string is captured in a hole and locked by a center pin, the difference on these is rather than screwing the lock in from the back of the headstock, you're holding the top of the peg with a dime and cranking the tuner itself to "raise" the pin. It seems that it would work with no problem, and I'd use these on my SG if they were available in 3+3 with a Keystone head

I didn't care for the Tronical type and replaced them with Sperzels on my Taylor, and will be removing them from the SG. Same reason for both... I simply don't use them for alternate tunings as I had intended. They do seem to work better on the SG than the Taylor... the Taylor has so many overtones that any kind of headstock tuner, even my Peterson strobe, seems to have issues locking on, and there were a few times I was worried that the Tronicals were going to crank my wound G up to E.
My issue with the Tronical lock is it takes a funky slip through and reverse wrap kind of thing before you crank the cap down.

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Post subject: Re: Drop in locking tuners
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:42 am
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In Europe there are legal issues over the 'Kluson' brand name. The name is registered to WD Music in the US and Goeldo in Germany and the EU.
WD Music 'Kluson' parts cannot be sold in Europe.

FYI Kluson does not exist as a company manufacturing tuners etc.

The Gotoh Magnum Lock tuners mentioned by CB91710 will fit the Ping bushes but the locking mechanism isn't everyone's favourite. Goeldo market them as Kluson M6VLC.


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