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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:22 pm
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Factory bridge plate and current bridge plate are different. Look at the screw tone holes distance from the board.

This.
While the offset blocks will likely solve the problem, it does appear that the problem existed previously.
Yes, the original bridge plate had the holes for the intonation screws offset to match the saddles, which is why you generally can't swap saddles from one type to the other.

Interesting. I thought the holes in both bridge plates are in the same place, and that the offset screws such saddles would shift the saddles. You’re saying the holes are offset too?


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:23 pm
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Gemon wrote:
Factory bridge plate and current bridge plate are different. Look at the screw tone holes distance from the board.

Can you clarify what I should be looking at? I can’t see what you’re referring to.


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:26 pm
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jmattis wrote:
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What say you about THAT!?

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Anyways, the problem seem a minor one, if you've played the guitar for that long without noticing it.
The suggested saddles switch might be one solution, but I've always corrected a misalignment by changing the neck's sideways angle...

Yes. Definitely. I’m just wondering what an improvement in sound on the high E and others, to a lesser extent, would be noticed if the strings are on top of the poles. That high E is WAY off. Sounds beautiful but of course I have no idea what this guitar would sound like with thing aligned properly. But yeah, I don’t notice it while playing.


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:28 pm
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Here’s two pics together of the old and new setup. What are we talking about as far as “look at the screw tone holes distance from the board?

https://flic.kr/p/26zetYn
https://flic.kr/p/26RmAif


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:04 pm
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JakTors wrote:
Here’s two pics together of the old and new setup. What are we talking about as far as “look at the screw tone holes distance from the board?

https://flic.kr/p/26zetYn
https://flic.kr/p/26RmAif

Resize and compare:

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:05 pm
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See how close the intonation screw is to the edge of the plate on the top E on the offset/block type?

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:02 am
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CB91710 wrote:
See how close the intonation screw is to the edge of the plate on the top E on the offset/block type?

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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:59 am
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CB91710 wrote:
See how close the intonation screw is to the edge of the plate on the top E on the offset/block type?

Yeah. I see. But, interestingly, look at where the two E’s cross over the pivot studs: almost an imperceptible difference. Effectively the same. That means - and you can see this - the inton holes are offset go the low side - low E hole being closer to the edge of the plate - because the inton screws enters the saddle on the low side - left in the pic. That means with a centered hole/centered screw, or offset hole/offset screw, the saddle is in the same location — IF you’re using the corespondibg bridge plates. That’s why with my old assembly or new, the string are shifted to the low side because of some other issue. Maybe the neck, as is usually the case; though I can’t shift it.

So, if I do in fact intentionally mismatch the Callaham offset saddles’ inton screws with this bridge plates’ NON offset-to-the-low-side screw holes, it’ll of course shift the string to the high side; but the question is will it do so to the extent that I just shifted the problem to the high E side. Just eyeballing the Callaham saddles in the current centered holes plate, it looks like it would. Worth a try I guess. I could always plug the holes with wood glue and dowels, sand away some body on the high side, and redrill new holes shifted just enough to crooect the offset, since the problem exists with either bridge type - that is if the Callaham saddles intolerably over correct the problem.


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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:49 pm
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I found posts on other forums indicating that this was a particular issue on the YJM models. Why, I don't know.
Honestly, I would loosen the neck screws, and with the body held securely, give the bass side of the neck a good whack around the 7th fret. Too hard and it might create a small crack in the finish at the heel in the lower bout, but such cracks are common on Strats.
It won't take much movement of the headstock to make a big difference.

Also check your measurements at the nut and see if maybe tapping the nut toward the treble side might help.

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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:56 am
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CB91710 wrote:
I found posts on other forums indicating that this was a particular issue on the YJM models. Why, I don't know.
Honestly, I would loosen the neck screws, and with the body held securely, give the bass side of the neck a good whack around the 7th fret. Too hard and it might create a small crack in the finish at the heel in the lower bout, but such cracks are common on Strats.
It won't take much movement of the headstock to make a big difference.

Also check your measurements at the nut and see if maybe tapping the nut toward the treble side might help.

Sorry for the delayed response.
Great tips. I’ll definitely do that today. And I’m not worried about any cosmetic stuff. The more the better as far as I’m concerned. Interesting you found that was an issue. I wonder if only with first gen yjm’s. Because I looked at a bunch of these on reverb and eBay and googling pics of these models, and I looked closely at the E’s - especially the high - and where they crossed the pivot studs and mag poles and I think all but a couple looked like mine. I got to concluding the narrower bridge and string spacing never had its route in the body shifted slightly to center the strings to the neck and pups. Who knows. But it isn’t seen on any of the later models with the vintage bridge.

By the way, I figured out I can just put in offset saddles in centered inton screw holes because the holes in the bridge plate won’t be centered to the slots in the saddles. So the suggestion the swap saddles won’t work. I’d have to swap back to the original trem assembly type made for offset saddles. And we already figured out the strings aren’t aligned regardless of which bridge I use. Interesting note.

Thanks all for the help.


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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:29 am
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You could try a small blob of solder on the treble side of saddles 1 to 5 then gently smooth it down with a file then sandpaper thus making each saddle string contact point progressively heading towards the high E side , with care it would be unnoticeable

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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:18 am
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ted j wrote:
You could try a small blob of solder on the treble side of saddles 1 to 5 then gently smooth it down with a file then sandpaper thus making each saddle string contact point progressively heading towards the high E side , with care it would be unnoticeable

Sorry for the long delay in replying but thanks for that tip. Definitely original outside the box thinking. If I try that I’ll be sure to let you know!


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:26 am
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I have just started playing Strats, I have a 2006 MIM which has the same condition. I noticed a guy on utube working on 2006 MIM with the same condion he thought the neck was off. I downloaded a 2003 Users Manual, it has two Strats on the front cover with the same condition. If you look close at the original bridge you will see that it is offset in the pick guard space towards the low E. I think there must have been a few years when the jig that drilled the bridge holes was misaligned. I have a 1991 MIM that is correct. My guess is that it started before they made the 2003 Manual cover illustration because the artist copied it perfect ly.


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