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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:42 am
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From ‘88-‘98 (roughly) they were two pivot block saddle bridges.

So do you not like the original block style saddles or it seems to me they should help adjust the strings towards the high E somewhat?
https://shop.fender.com/en-US/parts/bridges/american-series-86-07-stratocaster-saddle-assemblies/0990840000.html#start=1


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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:18 pm
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Loocking at the pictures, the low E is too close to the board and High E is too far to the board.
The plate of bridge seems to be suitable for offset saddles.


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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:29 pm
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[quote="Gemon”].....The plate of bridge seems to be suitable for offset saddles.[/quote]

Wow, good call. I missed that but it seems the originals did have the offset saddles. That would explain everything.

So, JakTors, you must have ordered saddles for a modern YJM Strat, which are not the offset type that the originals had.

Looks like these are the ones you need (offset) :

https://www.callahamguitars.com/strat_trem_amstdsaddleset_catalog.htm

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:49 pm
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I'm still baffled by the pickguard.
I have a drawing from an earlier YJM, and it shows Sonic Blue as an available color. This one is from 2000 and has the vintage style bridge with folded saddles, and I've found other examples with the 2-pivot bridge, but none with the 8-hole pickguard.

But here's an earlier model with the 2-pivot... block saddles are offset:
https://reverb.com/item/7126435-1996-fe ... -malmsteen

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:51 pm
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Yep, that’s the same one I just looked at.

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:03 pm
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https://www.callahamguitars.com/tech_co ... _strat.htm
Early Malmsteen is 2-1/16" / 52mm spacing, so a conventional "Vintage" bridge will be too wide.
The American Special has that string spacing but body mounts at 2-7/32" / 56mm, so there's a 6-screw option that will narrow the strings.

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:51 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
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From ‘88-‘98 (roughly) they were two pivot block saddle bridges.

So do you not like the original block style saddles or it seems to me they should help adjust the strings towards the high E somewhat?
https://shop.fender.com/en-US/parts/bridges/american-series-86-07-stratocaster-saddle-assemblies/0990840000.html#start=1


No I prefer the vintage saddles. I never noticed it before so it could be the new trem assembly but I installed it a few years ago and just recently noticed it. It could’ve escaped my notice of course but it’s not likely since I’ve taken the neck off and changed gauges a number of times since then, all of which makes me out of habit check the alignment and saddles etc.. As with the old block saddles the string spacing is 2 1/16 precisely, but of course if the whole trem is shifted to the low side it would explain the high E offset. But the reality is the low E is right where it should be on the neck and right above the mag poles. Also the shift to the low E starts at the A ever so slightly and gets progressively more offset as you get to the highe E.
And the neck is dead straight in the pocket. That’s why it’s a mystery to me. Various clues don’t add up.

But as someonebelow mentioned, it appears that vintage spacing of 2 7/32 would probably be perfect but before I ordered the part I measured the 2 1/16 E-E spacing on the old block saddles and checked with Fender that the new bridge is drop in compatible with this guitar which matches specs necessary for the 2008-present fender switch to vintage saddles with this non vintage spacing.
Who knows.


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:57 am
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Gemon wrote:
Loocking at the pictures, the low E is too close to the board and High E is too far to the board.
The plate of bridge seems to be suitable for offset saddles.

Wow! Interesting. I wasn’t aware there are offset saddles. So you’re saying the e-e spacing is correctly 2 1/16 but the whole string of saddles needs to be offset to the high side. Never heard of that. And fender even confirmed the 08-present American would fit the ‘86-‘07 equivalents; not just drop in but in all respects. Thanks!


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:17 am
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[quote="Gemon”].....The plate of bridge seems to be suitable for offset saddles.[/quote]

Wow, good call. I missed that but it seems the originals did have the offset saddles. That would explain everything.

So, JakTors, you must have ordered saddles for a modern YJM Strat, which are not the offset type that the originals had.

Looks like these are the ones you need (offset) :

https://www.callahamguitars.com/strat_trem_amstdsaddleset_catalog.htm[/quote]


Hmmm. K. I just read that CALLAHAM info. I had to google pics of first gen malm Strats cause I’d swear they had centered inton screws. But yep they’re offset just like the Callaham ones. Weird that fender confirmed compatibility in all regards.

Ok so dumb question here, but of course I wouldn’t be replacing the entire trem assembly right? If I get those saddles only from Callaham, by virtue of the offset screw going through the existing holes in the bridge plate, it’d offset all the saddles to the high E side right? So I only need the saddles? And I assume the offset is just enough to place the strings where they should be, since they match the original block offset?

Holy crap I’m psyched!


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:26 am
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Yes, the string spacing is 2-1/16, and your original saddles were offset, so you need the offset saddles from Callaham. The low E string did not line up over the pole piece with your original saddles (at least for the bridge, they will be much closer to lined up on the neck pup poles). Yes, all you need are the offset saddles.

BTW, if you adjust the pivot screws with the strings and springs on and under tension, you can ruin the knife edge on the bridge plate. So, don't do that.

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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:39 am
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CB91710 wrote:
https://www.callahamguitars.com/tech_compatibility_strat.htm
Early Malmsteen is 2-1/16" / 52mm spacing, so a conventional "Vintage" bridge will be too wide.
The American Special has that string spacing but body mounts at 2-7/32" / 56mm, so there's a 6-screw option that will narrow the strings.

Thanks. But do you think the offset inton screw discussion above solves the problem? You saw that?


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:15 am
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Ok gentlemen. The plot thickens. Check this $@!& out. I found a couple pics of the Strat with the factory bridge so I’ll post them with the current bridge for comps. (Color is not natural since I must’ve altered it back then). Notice something obvious: while the offset screws are in use, the high E and low E are in virtually the same positions they’re in now with the centered screws! WT...? And the progressive shifting of the strings relative to the mag poles from low strings to high appears the same!
What say you about THAT!?


https://flic.kr/p/2592ToA
https://flic.kr/p/27Pe1dY
https://flic.kr/p/JasYCp


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:45 am
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JakTors wrote:
What say you about THAT!?

Not much, since your links show only
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Anyways, the problem seem a minor one, if you've played the guitar for that long without noticing it.
The suggested saddles switch might be one solution, but I've always corrected a misalignment by changing the neck's sideways angle...


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:39 pm
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Factory bridge plate and current bridge plate are different. Look at the screw tone holes distance from the board.


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Post subject: Re: High E too far in the fretboard?
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:25 pm
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Gemon wrote:
Factory bridge plate and current bridge plate are different. Look at the screw tone holes distance from the board.

This.
While the offset blocks will likely solve the problem, it does appear that the problem existed previously.
Yes, the original bridge plate had the holes for the intonation screws offset to match the saddles, which is why you generally can't swap saddles from one type to the other.

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