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Post subject: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 9:37 am
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Hey everyone,

I want to change the Black Top humbucker on my Standard Stratocaster HSS with Floyd Rose (1149300505) for a Seymour Duncan one, which I can customize. I can choose between a humbucker or trembucker, I can choose between "Vintage Long" or "Standard Short" mounting legs, and also between a single conductor or four conductor hookup cable. I read about trembuckers; it says that if the space between my high E and low E string is more than 2 inches (which is the case), I should need a trembucker. That's part of my problem : can a trembucker fit in my new strat? I believe that it's more wide than a simple humbucker, isn't it? And what about the mounting legs, and the hookup cable? I'm very new at this, can someone tell me what I need?

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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 10:53 pm
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The SD trembuckers have similar outside dimensions as their humbuckers, so both fit in place of the Booheung Zebra you have now. The difference between trem/hum is the pole piece spacing. (Other manufacturers use terms like F-spaced, wide spaced etc; but the principle is the same.)
I won't go deep in the sound difference debate, but numerous Strats sound great with regular size humbuckers - and even SD uses the SH-4 (JB, hum size) sound demo on the TB-4 (JB, trem size) page.

On a Strat, you'll want the 'standard short' mounting legs - the 'vintage longs' are for archtop style guitars & such.

And on your 114-9300-505 model, the humbucker is wired with four wires, so unless you want to do wiring mods, that's what you need with the replacement. The wire color codes may differ between Fender and SD, so that needs to be figured out when installing.

Now, since you say you're new at modding, do you have the required skills; especially with soldering? If not, using a pro isn't a bad choice.

Here's the Std Strat HSS Floyd Rose® service diagram.


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:18 am
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Fender humbucker use 3 screw to pickgard ( 2 screw on one side, one screw on another side ) .
Seymour Duncan or other after marker pu use only 2 screws

You need a new pickguard or made a adaptor to adapt pickup


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:16 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Fender humbucker use 3 screw to pickgard ( 2 screw on one side, one screw on another side ) .
Seymour Duncan or other after marker pu use only 2 screws

You need a new pickguard or made a adaptor to adapt pickup


Or just drill an extra mounting screw hole in-between the two on the bass side.

If the empty holes bother you cosmetically, it's fairly easy to plug them with white epoxy.

(On a black pickguard or a tortoise guard, the empty holes are unnoticeable from a few feet away.)


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:14 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Fender humbucker use 3 screw to pickgard ( 2 screw on one side, one screw on another side ) .
Seymour Duncan or other after marker pu use only 2 screws

You need a new pickguard or made a adaptor to adapt pickup


Or just drill an extra mounting screw hole in-between the two on the bass side.

If the empty holes bother you cosmetically, it's fairly easy to plug them with white epoxy.

(On a black pickguard or a tortoise guard, the empty holes are unnoticeable from a few feet away.)


IMO It will look a poor job !


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:17 am
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IMO It will look a poor job !
Tend to agree! Even in GB, a new custom pickguard isn't a lot of money from the likes of WD and will look a lot neater.

Re wide-spaced, F-spaced, Trembucker etc - I've used both and can't hear the difference between regular and wide pole spacing. Even visually it doesn't really notice, I don't think. I wouldn't worry about it...

Cheers - Peter.


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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:56 am
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Do you like the function and tone of the 2nd tone control/switch or do you just want a more humbucker sound?
If your not happy w/ the standard humbucker and tone/switch, I would install a 500k standard audio pot first before spending on a new pickup. The cost is under $5 and might be what your looking for.


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 11:08 am
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How many screws does Fender use in a 114-9300-XXX Standard Stratocaster HSS Floyd Rose bridge humbucker?
A hint:
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And besides, SD has Trembuckers with more than two holes...

:lol: :twisted: :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:25 pm
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jmattis wrote:

And besides, SD has Trembuckers with more than two holes...

:lol: :twisted: :mrgreen:


Checked on the Duncan Forum:

While the Trembuckers have 3 holes on each leg, only the center ones are the correct size and threaded.

And the spacing of the smaller unthreaded outer holes is narrower than the double-holes on some Fender pickguards.

No one over there has any idea why Duncan puts those useless holes on Trembucker legs.
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What I don't like about replacement aftermarket pickguards is that it's hard to find one that doesn't have the squarer humbucker cutout that accommodates covered humbuckers.

I really like the way Fender guards are cut to match the shape of uncovered 'buckers. Tiny empty screwholes don't bother me at all.

(And white epoxy on a white guard or black epoxy on a black guard makes virtually invisible plugs if you do it properly. On a parchment or mint green guard trying to plug would look worse than leaving the holes empty.)


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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:01 pm
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jmattis wrote:
The SD trembuckers have similar outside dimensions as their humbuckers, so both fit in place of the Booheung Zebra you have now. The difference between trem/hum is the pole piece spacing. (Other manufacturers use terms like F-spaced, wide spaced etc; but the principle is the same.)
I won't go deep in the sound difference debate, but numerous Strats sound great with regular size humbuckers - and even SD uses the SH-4 (JB, hum size) sound demo on the TB-4 (JB, trem size) page.

On a Strat, you'll want the 'standard short' mounting legs - the 'vintage longs' are for archtop style guitars & such.

And on your 114-9300-505 model, the humbucker is wired with four wires, so unless you want to do wiring mods, that's what you need with the replacement. The wire color codes may differ between Fender and SD, so that needs to be figured out when installing.

Now, since you say you're new at modding, do you have the required skills; especially with soldering? If not, using a pro isn't a bad choice.

Here's the Std Strat HSS Floyd Rose® service diagram.


Thank you very much for your answer jmattis, and all the other guys. No, of course, I'm not going to make the replacement myself! Now, I know what kind of mounting legs and hookup cable I need, and I know that a trembucker fits! Awesome. Thank you also for the service manual. However, you guys are arguing about tiny holes in the trembucker itself... Well, if the holes are inside the trem, I don't know why I should buy another pickguard, because some guy said so. Well : Can I just order the trembucker, receive it, and bring it with my Start at the shop, and they'll make the adjustments and replacement? (Than buying other stuff than the pickup)

Thanks, very appreciated. Make it simple!
Vic

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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:39 pm
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Victor Barrette wrote:
However, you guys are arguing about tiny holes in the trembucker itself... Well, if the holes are inside the trem, I don't know why I should buy another pickguard, because some guy said so. Well : Can I just order the trembucker, receive it, and bring it with my Start at the shop, and they'll make the adjustments and replacement? (Than buying other stuff than the pickup)

Thanks, very appreciated. Make it simple!
Vic



Is your stock humbucker mounted to the pickguard with 2 screws, or with 3 screws?

Google is giving me conflicting info -- it appears that some Mexican Standard HSS Floyd Rose Strats have 2 mounting screws, while others have 3 (just like the 3 screw American Standard HSS Floyd Rose Strats).

If your humbucker is mounted with 2 screws, yes you can just order whichever Duncan you want and have it installed without problems.


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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:03 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
Victor Barrette wrote:
However, you guys are arguing about tiny holes in the trembucker itself... Well, if the holes are inside the trem, I don't know why I should buy another pickguard, because some guy said so. Well : Can I just order the trembucker, receive it, and bring it with my Start at the shop, and they'll make the adjustments and replacement? (Than buying other stuff than the pickup)

Thanks, very appreciated. Make it simple!
Vic



Is your stock humbucker mounted to the pickguard with 2 screws, or with 3 screws?

Google is giving me conflicting info -- it appears that some Mexican Standard HSS Floyd Rose Strats have 2 mounting screws, while others have 3 (just like the 3 screw American Standard HSS Floyd Rose Strats).

If your humbucker is mounted with 2 screws, yes you can just order whichever Duncan you want and have it installed without problems.


Actually, my stock humbucker has 3 little tiny holes in it (and the 2 height adjustment screws besides the humbucker itself), exactly like the pic I posted of the SD humbuckers (3 tiny holes). Something wrong?


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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:38 pm
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If the stock humbucker mounts with 2 screws, no problem.

Some Fender humbuckers use 3 mounting screws. If yours is like that, then you'll have problems with replacement humbuckers.


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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:47 pm
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[quote="strayedstrater"]If the stock humbucker mounts with 2 screws, no problem.

Some Fender humbuckers use 3 mounting screws. If yours is like that, then you'll have problems with replacement humbuckers.[/quote]

Well my guitar is exactly like that, take a look : https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... Manual.pdf

Can the shop handle those problems? What kind of problems are they?


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Post subject: Re: Black Top Humbucking: details?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:58 pm
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Victor Barrette wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
If the stock humbucker mounts with 2 screws, no problem.

Some Fender humbuckers use 3 mounting screws. If yours is like that, then you'll have problems with replacement humbuckers.


Well my guitar is exactly like that, take a look : https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... Manual.pdf

Can the shop handle those problems? What kind of problems are they?


Ok, your stock humbucker has 2 mounting screws. No problems.

If it had 3 mounting screws, the problems would have been what people were arguing about -- new pickguard, extra hole in stock pickguard, adapter plate.


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