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Post subject: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:32 am
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Can anyone help me identify if this is legit? Guy is selling it as a used american standard strat. No clue what year he is claiming it to be.. There are some red flags here imo. I was hoping aomeone might be able to share some input. Btw - first post here.

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I know the quality of these pictures are bad, however the concern i have here is there is no fenderstamp on the bridge saddles. At least they are not visible from the picture

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Okay.. A few issues here. Isnt this logo missing something near the top round part of the headstock? Also the truss rod end doesnt appear to have that little rosewood insert.. Again, maybe its just not visible from the quality of the picture.
Also it appears someone has removed a string tree and filled a hole there. If you look very closely you can also kind of see the clear backdrop of the decal. Or im just seeing things


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What do you think? He is selling it for 780. Used.


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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:32 pm
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Not an authentic American Standard Stratocaster, and not quite worth the price he’s asking. Ask him for the serial number, and then run that by Fender Customer Relations.


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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:44 pm
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I can't see anything wrong with the saddles and the truss hole plug also looks fine.

I can't see a hole from a missing string tree but can see the wrong type of string tree.

If it is an MIA it isn't an AV so the logos should be under the lacquer so this doesn't explain why the contour body logo is missing.

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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:47 pm
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Compare the position of the Fender logo here compared to headstock posted by the OP. Is it just me or is the 'F' in "Fender" just to close to the edge than it should be?
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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:44 pm
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When the American Standard was introduced in '85, it didn't have the "Original Contour Body" decal. That was only on the AVRI's.

I think it was '99 that AmStd's got the OCB decal. (My memory is a little hazy on that -- it may have been a few years earlier, or a few years later.)

The decals are hand-applied. They're generally fairly consistant, but having the "F" close to the edge happens sometimes.

Pics are poor quality, hard to say anything for sure. I think I do see a plugged hole for the 2nd string tree, and obviously the remaining tree is a butterfly tree not a roller tree. Odd, but people do odd mods.

The weird dark lines on the neck and head are concerning. If that's grain, it's poorer quality wood than I've ever seen on a Fender. If they're cracks in the finish, that's also unusual.


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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm
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Enlarging the headstock pic, I do see the plugged screwhole and plugged locating pin hole for the missing string tree, and the unplugged locating pin hole for the roller tree that used to be where the butterfly tree is.

So it did have two roller trees at some point.


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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:58 pm
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The walnut plug looks to not be drilled properly.
Wondering if this is a Korean or Japanese neck that someone has fitted with a walnut plug and drilled after mounting (rather than the plug being a "tube" when installed).
Could be the camera angle and lighting though, but it looks "funky" to me.

The parallel "loops" on the right side of the neck plate... reflection from the phone case?

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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:14 am
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Thank you all for the replies! Awesome. Heres a new picture of the back of the headstock.
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From the number it appears it is a 2000-2001 usa fender. I will call/email fender and see if they can check that out for me. What else can I find out from the serial no.? From what im getting through your guys' help is that it could be legit but someone just modded the string trees? Also in my limited knowledge the 2000-2001 usa strats all have the original contour body decal at the top of the headstock.. And the one in question doesn't.


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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:58 am
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Also in my limited knowledge the 2000-2001 usa strats all have the original contour body decal at the top of the headstock.
Agreed. Certainly in GB, 2000 was the first year of the OCB transfer to go with the much-nicer (in my opinion) body shape on the AmStd - or whatever they were calling it at that time. I had one of the first, which was also a 'Z0' serial no.

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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:59 am
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AMERICAN STANDARD STRATOCASTER® (1987-2000),
ROSEWOOD FINGERBOARD, 3-COLOR SUNBURST
Serial #: Z0033805
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..is what it says.

Based on the comments above regarding the legitimate lack of Contoured Body logo (now I look one of mine is the same) I'd suggest it is fine. I don't see anything else that makes me think it isn't what it says it is.

I also noted the peculiar figuring in the neck. It could just be different (it is wood after all) or it might indicate water ingress which would potentially be somewhat more worrying.

It is always a gamble buying anything second hand but, assuming this is cheap enough, it is worth a punt in my view.

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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:04 am
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(Aw dawg, two faster-than-me answers. Anyways, here's my tuppence...)

Checked the serial on https://www.fender.com/product-registra ... ial-search and it comes back as "American Standard Stratocaster® (1987-2000), Rosewood Fingerboard, 3-Color Sunburst"

There are quite a few typically US-Fender characteristics in that guitar, and fakers often miss at least some of them. I'd say you can be confident it's "legit, but not all original".
Contacting Fender Consumer Relations (via the support pages) with the serial will most likely give you the full specs for further checking.
BTW, those guitars usually have a date in the neck end/pocket, if you get a chance to check there.

On the "Contour body"... I have two diagrams from 2000 on my flash drive store. The American Standard is without that text, the American (Series) has it. Both are the same model number; 011-7400/7402...


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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:32 pm
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Were they doing the 4 bolt Micro-Tilt in '87-2000?
I don't remember it being on a buddy's Ultra.

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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:06 pm
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That missing Micro-Tilt™ in the Ultra might be just a momentary lapse of reason... :wink:
American Standard Stratocaster 0117400/7402 SD March 2000
American (Series) Stratocaster 0117400/7402 SD August 2000


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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 5:30 am
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Probably was.
I remembered it didn't have the 3-bolt like my G&Ls, but never really studied the details.
He ended up buying a R/S/B set of Laces and I used his original gold Laces for my partscaster.
Loved the sound of those pickups.

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Post subject: Re: Identity fraud? Guitar verification question.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:26 am
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I'm sorry, but when someone posts pics that bad I have to wonder what they are trying to hide. :shock:


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