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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:47 am
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As far as "typical" '70s neck shapes, it's what CB91710 said. There was no typical shape, they varied a lot.

Not just because it was mostly hand done. In the '70s, CBS pushed the workers very hard to increase production. Set almost impossible production quotas.

That's why the forearm contours and belly cuts got shallower. Why the pieces of body wood were glued together with zero thought toward matching the grain. Why the neck pockets got sloppy.

The workers didn't have time to try to do great work. "Good enough, as fast as you can" was all they had time for.


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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:51 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
None of those pics raise any major questions about authenticity to my eyes.

String nut may have been replaced.

Serial number decal looks a little odd because you can see the rectangular backing. But since that's a separate decal and a different type of decal than the logo decal, it's not super suspicious that it may have aged differently.


Thank you for these infos!

So by conclusion what strat should be considered as more interested guitar to purchase? The vintage 78 without modifications (i guess moderate conditions w/o the case) or alternatively the refinished 77th (in the ideal conditions with the native case) demonstrated on the first page? In fact, the different in price is about 200 euro more for the 78th model although it come without the case.

Thank you in advance !

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:49 pm
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If you want one for a collection, the '78
If you want to own one to play, I can't make that decision from photos alone. I would not purchase either one without playing them if I intended to buy it to be a player.

One thing that impresses me about the '78 and makes me think it is indeed all original is the bridge appears to have the original type cast saddles.

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:35 am
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CB91710 wrote:
If you want one for a collection, the '78
If you want to own one to play, I can't make that decision from photos alone. I would not purchase either one without playing them if I intended to buy it to be a player.

One thing that impresses me about the '78 and makes me think it is indeed all original is the bridge appears to have the original type cast saddles.



and regarding the white refinished strat, the body of the guitar is not corresponded to the US vintage 77 ? if yes, is it mexican or japan instead?


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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:41 am
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Gleb Novikov wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
If you want one for a collection, the '78
If you want to own one to play, I can't make that decision from photos alone. I would not purchase either one without playing them if I intended to buy it to be a player.

One thing that impresses me about the '78 and makes me think it is indeed all original is the bridge appears to have the original type cast saddles.

and regarding the white refinished strat, the body of the guitar is not corresponded to the US vintage 77 ? if yes, is it mexican or japan instead?
No way to know from the pictures. It may or may not be original, but it's definitely been refinished in a color that Fender did not use, so has little to no collector value.

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:39 pm
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however, it can be definitely concluded that the body has been made in US or the mexican/ japan craft is also possible? For me the biggest question is the round hole just above the neck pickup cavity, that may be on the hardtail guitars, right?


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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:00 am
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Gleb Novikov wrote:
however, it can be definitely concluded that the body has been made in US or the mexican/ japan craft is also possible? For me the biggest question is the round hole just above the neck pickup cavity, that may be on the hardtail guitars, right?

The white guitar is (= originally was) probably a legit late seventies Fender, but I wouldn't call it definitely concluded - that kind of statement is almost never possible via the net.
But repeating: there's IMHO no originality left in that guitar, so no collector value either.

The Mexican/Japanese Fender production didn't even begin before the eighties. That should be quite familiar to any collector...


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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:44 am
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Hello again!

I am interesting in the opinion regarding that 1979 with a lot of modifications:

"The original neck was replaced by a Fender neck of the same period, wear frets but still playable.
The varnish is original.
Cavities have been extended to accommodate humbucking pickups (see photo).
All electronics due to breakdown or wear has been replaced over the years except the bridge pickups and medium that are original 1978, the neck pickup is a seymour duncan SSL1 fifteen years.
The electronic circuit is similar to that of the era.
The mechanics were replaced by schaller in 1988.."

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Does the instrument corresponds to the playable conditions?

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:27 pm
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No way to know without playing it.

Value? It's definitely worth no more than the white one, and probably worth less due to the hack job on the pickup cavities.

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:00 am
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Besides the screwdriver & hammer "routing" job, the Schaller tuners required enlarging the peg holes in the head, and additional mounting screw holes, leaving the original mounting screw holes uncovered and visible.

A close-up pic of the back of the head would show the outlines of the original tuners pressed into the finish.

It's a "player" grade vintage guitar, not a "collector" grade.


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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:50 am
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Perhaps due to the incredible prices for genuine 50's and 60's Strats 70's Strats are starting to appear on the radar for collectors but they haven't really started to gallop price wise.

Even genuine, solid, pristine 70's guitars are little more than the price of a new pro grade MiA. There is a reason for this as, generally, 70's guitars are either really good or were never very good, even when new, and time hasn't improved them.

So, we have a situation where a good version isn't big money and this has been somewhat butchered. OK it is an all authentic, in use, relic but unfortunately used 70's guitars don't look as pleasing as knocked around 60's guitars ... the original yacht varnish like finish doesn't help.

You can buy original 70's bodies and necks, in good condition, for little more than a new MiA neck or body (often less) so there wouldn't even be much point in splitting it for parts.

My advice would be to do nothing, if it is yours. The price will increase as time goes on. If thinking of buying, assuming it is under £/$1000, and plays well, it would be worth a punt....That is only my personal opinion though perhaps flavoured by me thinking so much of it annoys me and would have to be changed...original or not. I would probably rather buy a new MiM 70's reissue.

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:11 am
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The asking price for that guitar is 1100€ (950£, 1360$). Neck, electronics, pickups, tuning machines not original, the body heavily modified.
https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/dispann ... ce=1542369

In general about the vintageness-about-to-come/value-for-players of the seventies Strats, I'll add a link to this reverb.com Dan Smith Interview by Tony Bacon

Gleb, it's still unclear to me if you approach these guitars (mainly) as a collector or as a player?


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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:45 pm
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Yes, actually it was taken from this site where it is possible to find a lot of vintage 70th guitar for the average price of 1300-1500 euros.

This time I would like to purchase this kind of stratocaster for playing but with the possibility to re-sell it in future with the minimal lost of money in order to buy a new guitar.

Personally the only problem is that all of the 70th strats that I have seen were mainly with very slim neck of 7.25 radius and 42 mm, where I prefer broader neck with the profile of modern C shape like on the telecaster SFR custom 72.


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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:33 pm
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John Sims wrote:
Even genuine, solid, pristine 70's guitars are little more than the price of a new pro grade MiA. There is a reason for this as, generally, 70's guitars are either really good or were never very good, even when new, and time hasn't improved them.
In addition, if you find one that is in good, original condition, there is often a reason why a 40+ year old guitar would be in that condition... possibly because it was bought for a young person who lost interest quickly... or possibly because it was not enjoyable to play, so it sat in the case.

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Post subject: Re: US Vintage Stratocaster 77
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:18 pm
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Gleb Novikov wrote:
Yes, actually it was taken from this site where it is possible to find a lot of vintage 70th guitar for the average price of 1300-1500 euros.

This time I would like to purchase this kind of stratocaster for playing but with the possibility to re-sell it in future with the minimal lost of money in order to buy a new guitar.

Personally the only problem is that all of the 70th strats that I have seen were mainly with very slim neck of 7.25 radius and 42 mm, where I prefer broader neck with the profile of modern C shape like on the telecaster SFR custom 72.


"Possible future resale with minimal loss of money"

Any recent used guitar gives you that. Shop carefully, pay the typical price a particular model usually sells for, and you can always resell it for just as much as you paid.

(Unless you play it so much you wear out the frets, or try a do-it-yourself relic job on it.)

All '70s Fenders have 7.25" radius fretboards. (Unless they've been refretted, or had the frets dressed to change the radius.)

All reasonably accurate '70s reissues are also 7.25" radius.

If 7.25 radius bothers you, there have been several recent Strat models with big headstocks, wider nut width, and 9.5" radius. No bullet truss rods on those, but no poorly-executed 3-bolt neck joints or tone-sucking cast Zamak bridges either.


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