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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:21 am
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stratele52 wrote:
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Remember English is my second language.


It look you are not living in North America

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:32 am
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pagorek wrote:

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.


Your english is very well
it is only the law you are talking about, different country may have different law.

Where in centra Europe ?
Most people here are from United- States . I'm from Canada :)


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:51 pm
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pagorek wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
pagorek wrote:
Remember English is my second language.


It look you are not living in North America

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.
Don't worry about the language. It's obvious that both of you (stratele52) know more than one language. That's better than me and my heritage is French/Indian, but only speak American. :)


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:34 pm
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LawFlow wrote:
pagorek wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
pagorek wrote:
Remember English is my second language.
It look you are not living in North America

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.
Don't worry about the language. It's obvious that both of you (stratele52) know more than one language. That's better than me and my heritage is French/Indian, but only speak American. :)
And my heritage is British Isles, but God help me if I am trying to have a conversation with someone from that region.

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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:06 pm
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CB91710 wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
pagorek wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
pagorek wrote:
Remember English is my second language.
It look you are not living in North America

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.
Don't worry about the language. It's obvious that both of you (stratele52) know more than one language. That's better than me and my heritage is French/Indian, but only speak American. :)
And my heritage is British Isles, but God help me if I am trying to have a conversation with someone from that region.

Do you mean the differences between British and American English? Hopefully, we - foreign learners of English at certain level of fluency - understand both versions of this beautiful language. Here, in continental Europe, they tend to use BrE as far as schools and universities are concerned. But foreign media, Internet content etc usually use AmE, so we are exposed to both accents and varying vocabulary. But that was pure offtopic :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:15 pm
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pagorek wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
pagorek wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
pagorek wrote:
Remember English is my second language.
It look you are not living in North America

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.
Don't worry about the language. It's obvious that both of you (stratele52) know more than one language. That's better than me and my heritage is French/Indian, but only speak American. :)
And my heritage is British Isles, but God help me if I am trying to have a conversation with someone from that region.
Do you mean the differences between British and American English? Hopefully, we - foreign learners of English at certain level of fluency - understand both versions of this beautiful language. Here, in continental Europe, they tend to use BrE as far as schools and universities are concerned. But foreign media, Internet content etc usually use AmE, so we are exposed to both accents and varying vocabulary. But that was pure offtopic :wink:

English when written is much easier to be understood across various dialects. For example, from the context, I can tell whether the word "bonnet" is referring to the panel covering the engine of a car, or a woman's head covering.
My problem is when actually speaking with someone from another part of the world, and in some cases, even someone from another part of the USA.
Between my California upbringing and hearing loss, I have a very difficult time when someone has a strong accent. I honestly can not have a conversation with someone from south or east Asia (China, Korea, Vietnam, Japan, etc...) unless they were raised in the US and speak English in their home.

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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:11 pm
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pagorek wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
pagorek wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
pagorek wrote:
Remember English is my second language.
It look you are not living in North America

I am sorry, I should have written English is my foreign language. This only underlines my bad English. I live in central Europe.
Don't worry about the language. It's obvious that both of you (stratele52) know more than one language. That's better than me and my heritage is French/Indian, but only speak American. :)
And my heritage is British Isles, but God help me if I am trying to have a conversation with someone from that region.

Do you mean the differences between British and American English? Hopefully, we - foreign learners of English at certain level of fluency - understand both versions of this beautiful language. Here, in continental Europe, they tend to use BrE as far as schools and universities are concerned. But foreign media, Internet content etc usually use AmE, so we are exposed to both accents and varying vocabulary. But that was pure offtopic :wink:
Yes, there are differences. Most of us can figure out the various regional dialects. The Canadians as well as other English speaking countries spell many words with too many letters. I've learned to deal with that. Why put a "U"" in color (colour) and so forth? I'm just messing with you foreigners. :)


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:52 am
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Guys, I have received information from the bank about incoming payment from the tech guy. I think he was honest enough to admit his guilt. After a week or two I should have my guitar back from the skilled luthier. Do you want to see some photos then, just for comparison?


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:58 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
As I read the refund post, the tech replaced the pots and pickups at the same time as the refret. And apparently didn't screw up that part of the job.

So it's fair and reasonable that he should be paid for that part of the work.

Techs have different ways of billing jobs. Flat rate, per hour, benchfee + per hour. And we don't know how much he charges for refrets -- some techs charge a lot more than others.

So, if he did pots, pickups, and the refret, without more details about what he charged for each job we can't know if a 75% refund is actually a full refund of the refret.
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The tech could have said "You didn't notice anything wrong when you picked it up. I don't know what abuse you subjected it to when you got home, but it was perfect when I did it. I'm not refunding a penny of your money."

And then you'd have to sue him to try and get your money back. And hope the other luthier would be willing to show up in court and testify as an expert witness. And hope that the judge who knows nothing about guitars believes the expert witness instead of the tech who did the refret.

So all in all, an immediate 75% refund isn't bad.
Makes sense to me...good analysis.

And as far as "first or second" language goes---I have had no problem what so ever understanding anything written in these forums by any member. Those of you who have English as a 'second' language are doing a LOT better than I could do if I tried a different language. I can't speak, read, or write legible in any other language at all, so I would have to bow out all together. Keep up the good work. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:00 am
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pagorek wrote:
Guys, I have received information from the bank about incoming payment from the tech guy. I think he was honest enough to admit his guilt. After a week or two I should have my guitar back from the skilled luthier. Do you want to see some photos then, just for comparison?
Glad to hear that, and absolutely post some pics when you get it back...it's a sweet guitar, and I, for one, would love to see it at its' best.


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Post subject: Re: Refretting gone wrong?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:49 pm
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pagorek wrote:
Guys, I have received information from the bank about incoming payment from the tech guy. I think he was honest enough to admit his guilt. After a week or two I should have my guitar back from the skilled luthier. Do you want to see some photos then, just for comparison?
That is wonderful!
Yes, we absolutely want to see pictures.

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