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Post subject: Fretborad clean
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:38 am
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hello everyone!

I have a fender YJM with maple fretboard, how can i to clean it? do you know anythings?

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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:18 am
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Maple fretboards have a lacquer finish (if yours is a current US model, it's nitro, if it's older or Japanese, it's poly), so they don't need oiling like bare wood fretboards.

Usually just wiping the neck with a (cotton/microfiber) cloth is enough for cleaning - it's a good habit to do this every time you start (and/or stop) playing. Same with washing your hands before playing, especially if your sweat chemicals are corrosive. :wink:

The politically correct way is to get a (nitro safe) guitar cleaning/polishing product set from your favorite brand - Fender among others has one.
The old school way is a cotton rag with a few drops of Zippo fluid.

BTW, I noticed your other post (E-string problems) on the seccion española, but my tourist Spanish isn't good enough to get it. If you don't get help there, try here with English.


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:01 am
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Hi!!!and thx for your answer.

Yes I have USA YJM I bought it in california 1 year ago! Im going to buy a polish cleaner ´cause i have a lot of $@!& in my fretboard D...AND YES I HAVE SOME TROUBLES WITH MY "E" STRING. On every model I've owned or played, the low E tends to be closer to the edge of the fretboard than the high E, but the high E is inherently easy to slip off the board, depending on playing style. But on this new one, the string is noticeably closer to the edge of the fretboard and is real easy to slip off, unless I'm unnaturally careful about how I fret notes.

I think is a very expensive guitar for that troubles and i never will to buy another fender guitar...this guitar was the first and the last one. i prefer sincerely washburn, musicman or ibanez.

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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:07 am
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If you have that same slipping-off problem on all or most of your guitars, it's related to your playing style more than to the guitars.
Keep working on that "unnaturally careful" fingering - less slipping and you get more out of the scalloped fretboard.

Mechanical things that also affect that are e.g. neck alignment, nut and fret end bevels. All of those should be checked and taken care of (according to player preferences) in a complete setup.


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:48 am
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sorry, my english is bad...what i mean is that problem happens in my yjm fender, only in that guitar. i have others guitars: Washburn n4, musicman jp6, ibanez prestige....

for that reason i said that fender guitar was my first and the last...cause is a very expensive guitar to buy and later go to luthier.


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:26 am
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Are any of the others scalloped? A pic of the YJM neck from above, showing the strings lining with the edges, might show if the neck isn't on straight.

And anyways, this may come out harsh, but try to take it as friendly advice:
If you have almost 10000 (if all bought new) invested in those four guitars, it's not very wise to skimp on the ~100 for a pro setup...


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:56 am
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Rexy wrote:
for that reason i said that fender guitar was my first and the last...cause is a very expensive guitar to buy and later go to luthier.


every single guitar we buy, needs to be properly setup.

doesn't matter if it's a 500 dollar squire, or a 4,000 dollar Gibson acoustic.

the factory will never set up a guitar that will fit your playing style.


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:08 am
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Yes, in this year i went to luthier and he tried to fix it but tha problem was there....he told me where was the problem: THE BRIDGE... I need to change the BRIDGE for A MODERN BRIDGE.

I spoken to other guys with the same problem and them was change the bridge too to fix the problem...
so, we buy a new guitar 1700$ and we need to fix some things...i never had an experience like that with other guitar, never!


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:18 am
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On a maple fretboard, where the clear coat is unbroken and in good condition, I just used a spray bottle spritzer with clean water and a soft fine toothbrush to get the gunk out of the corners next to the frets and then wipe down and finish with guitar polish. I have never seen any logic in using petroleum based thinners or solvents for cleaning a fretboard. That just throws up flags for me.

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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:07 pm
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im going to buy this product:

https://shop.fender.com/en-US/accessori ... 34000.html

I think it is good...any experience with this?


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:03 pm
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Odd that Yngwie, Clapton, Hendrix, Trower, SRV, Buddy Guy, even a hack like me, have no problems with the vintage-spec bridge.

I'd be willing to bet that a simple 5 minute neck realignment would cure your issue with the high E string. Loosen the strings, loosen the neck screws, pivot the neck toward the high E, retighten screws, retune strings.

That will create (or enlarge) a gap between the neck and the sidewall of the pocket. And if you pivot the neck too far the low E string may get too close to the edge of the fretboard. But those are normal Strat quirks. Leo and Freddie designed the Strat to be a workingman's tool.

(Yngwie's '70s Strats may still have the craptacular Zamac cast 1-piece bridges, but they have the same string spacing as the vintage-spec bridge.)


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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:42 pm
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The scalloped neck can be tricky to re-learn to play effectively. It forces you to play with a lighter touch. If you are pulling the string off of the end of the fret, you need to work on your touch.

There is also an issue with the way the neck is made that tends to create issues with the fret ends and it makes it difficult to clean them up.
Where Ibanez, and even on the Fender Blackmore model, the scallops do not go all the way to the fret, the YJM is machined with the scallops all the way to the slots, and the frets are then fitted. This results in uncomfotable ends, but is generally not found on Rosewood necks because of the lack of support for the fret.



WRT the bridge... which "Vintage" bridge? The Mexican Standard bridge is already narrow, if you bought it new last year, it may already have the narrow spacing, as I believe they use that on the YJM. Measure to be sure... 2-1/16 vs 2-7/32, don't spend $50 that you don't need to spend.
The strings *should* be a uniform distance on both sides, and it should be extremely consistent, just barely changing from nut to heel, just widening a small amount.

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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:46 pm
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Rexy wrote:
im going to buy this product:

https://shop.fender.com/en-US/accessori ... 34000.html

I think it is good...any experience with this?

Not needed on a gloss maple neck.

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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:49 pm
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I just confirmed that my 2017 American Special has 2-7/32 screw spacing and 2-1/16 string spacing, which matches the American Vintage.

Given that the YJM is basically an AM Special a bullet truss rod and YJM pickups, I would suspect that you already have the narrow saddles.
My strings are extremely close to the nut spacing all the way down the neck... the two E strings are maybe 1/8" from the edges. It LOOKS like the same measurement from nut to heel, but if I were to measure, it might be a 64th more at the heel.

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Post subject: Re: Fretborad clean
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:46 am
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Checked a couple of service diagrams; the YJM has part number 099-2051-000 saddles (Bridge Assy part number 0992049000), and those are the wider "vintage specs" version, not the narrower "modern specs" as in AmSpecial or Highway One (Bridge Assy part number 0072290000/Ping).

But anyways, changing the whole bridge or just saddles (or shaving the current saddles narrower) would be the last things I'd try. The design is approved by YJM, so I still believe the main thing is the player touch - a scalloped neck needs that unnaturally careful touch. (YJM does it with hulk force, but still accurately.)

For cleaning the lot of $@!& in the fretboard, I'd use the Zippo fluid trick.


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