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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:55 am
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This isn't really a big concern.

Your guitar is now "used". It's worth exactly as much as a 1 year old, 2 year old, 3 year old, 10 year old mint-condition Jimmie Vaughan.

Guitars aren't like cars. They don't lose value every year. First purchase as new is worth more than subsequent used sales, but after initial depreciation the value stays steady.

Plus, you have a sales receipt showing you bought it as a new from an authorized Fender retailer. Even if it's NOS (New Old Stock) it's still "new". Legally, ethically, and in the eyes of any future buyer.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:00 am
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If you don't believe Fender, of course you won't believe what I posted about JV serials having been unreliable for the whole history of that model.

Just Google "Jimmie Vaughan serial numbers". You'll see that people have been talking about this on various forums for 20 years.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:04 am
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(Oh, and Googling answered my curiosity about when the dropped the "S" from the JV serial number format -- around 2010.)


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:11 am
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The first 10 years of MSN6 serials, I assumed they had just printed up way too many of those decals. Or maybe the JV didn't sell as well as they expected, or maybe they had planned to offer more Mex Signatures but then scaled back those plans.

Finding out that they still haven't straightened out the issue makes me wonder if Jimmie has a wicked sense of humor and messing with people's heads via the S/N is part of his endorsement deal.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:22 am
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For the first 5 years of production, forums were flooded with confusion about the JV pickguard.

Fender's website showed it with an 8-screw pickguard (like the original Tex-Mex, before it became the Jimmie Vaughan Tex-Mex Signature).

When people bought them, they wondered if the 11-screw pickguard was a factory mistake, and wondered if that would lower resale or turn it into a more valuable " collectible".

Fender eventually got tired of all the calls and emails to Customer Service and updated the website pics to reflect reality.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:34 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Take the pickguard and neck off and check the date codes.

If you're uncomfortable doing that, take it to the retailer where you bought it and ask them to do that for you and show you the date codes.



Good luck , no dealer will do that without a fee.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:18 am
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stratele52 wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
Take the pickguard and neck off and check the date codes.

If you're uncomfortable doing that, take it to the retailer where you bought it and ask them to do that for you and show you the date codes.



Good luck , no dealer will do that without a fee.


If he goes to the dealer that sold it to him and threatens to return the guitar unless they prove to him that it's not 6 years old, they might be willing to waste the 5 minutes it takes to disassemble and reassemble.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:22 am
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When I bought my MIM Classic I mentioned to the salesman that it had a little too much relief and I was planning to adjust it as soon as I got home.

He took the guitar, removed the neck, gave the rod a twist, put on new strings, handed it to me and asked if it was good.

Customer service is rare but it's not dead.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:31 am
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A year later my sister and I went shopping for a guitar for her son for Christmas. He picked out a $160 Danelectro.

Same store, different salesman. And before he let us leave he checked the relief, pulled the neck, twisted the heel-adjust rod, and slapped on new strings.

There are still stores that aren't like Guitar Center or L&M.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:45 am
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I am honestly willing to bet cash money that if Fender's computer says it was built Jan 16, 2017 the date codes and pot codes will support that.

Individual dates may be a few months to maybe a year before that -- build date is when all the components are screwed together. But if the guitar was assembled 6 years ago there would be zero reason for Fender to lie about that.

The warranty takes effect on the day it's sold. And an unsold guitar is "new" until a consumer buys it. They'd tell you if it's been sitting in a warehouse all this time.

(If it had been out on the retailer's salesfloor and people have been playing it for 6 years you'd maybe have reason to complain, even though legally they could sell it as "new". But there's no indication that's the situation.)


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:15 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
When I bought my MIM Classic I mentioned to the salesman that it had a little too much relief and I was planning to adjust it as soon as I got home.

He took the guitar, removed the neck, gave the rod a twist, put on new strings, handed it to me and asked if it was good.

Customer service is rare but it's not dead.


Yes rare.

I understand for a set up when brand new , but just because you want to see number in the neck pocket and body ? Not shure he will do for free.

With the right tool and skill ,no need to remove the neck


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:37 am
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stratele52 wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
When I bought my MIM Classic I mentioned to the salesman that it had a little too much relief and I was planning to adjust it as soon as I got home.

He took the guitar, removed the neck, gave the rod a twist, put on new strings, handed it to me and asked if it was good.

Customer service is rare but it's not dead.


Yes rare.

I understand for a set up when brand new , but just because you want to see number in the neck pocket and body ? Not shure he will do for free.

With the right tool and skill ,no need to remove the neck


Can depend on the thickness of the guard and neck angle. I don't even need a right-angle screwdriver to adjust my rod without removing the neck, just a regular narrow tip screwdriver inserted at an angle.

But a lot of people don't want to risk marring the pickguard. Especially when they're selling someone a brand-new guitar.

Personally when I get a "new to me" guitar I disassemble it and examine it the first time I change the strings. It's not a big deal.

But I realize it's an intimidating idea to many people.

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Even Guitar Center will usually change your strings for you for free if you buy a set of strings from them and ask them to put them on. I wouldn't be surprised if you bought a set of strings and asked them to pull the neck and the pickguard that one of the salespeople would be glad to oblige. (At least on a slow day when there are more salespeople than customers.)


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:37 am
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Just remove pickguard screws and move pickguard little bit, you can access to truss rod not.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:10 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
Just remove pickguard screws and move pickguard little bit, you can access to truss rod not.


Yes, I know that. All these years on forums and you haven't noticed that a lot of people won't do that? That a lot of people hate heel-adjust rods because they're convinced they have to remove the neck to adjust it? There are even techs with websites who say that. And no matter how many times we've told them, we haven't convinced them.

Regardless, we're derailing this thread. JV has a head-adjust rod. The only reason I brought up heel-adjust was to illustrate that many stores will remove a neck for free.

It would have been more helpful to confirm to the OP that there are conclusive date markings inside his guitar. Perhaps offer to explain to him how to remove the neck if he wants to check the dates himself.

Anyway, Merry Christmas to you. And Merry Christmas to the OP. We don't want to belittle your concerns about the serial number, and hope you can find joy in having what many regard as one of the best overall Strat models of all time.


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Post subject: Re: Brand New Strat is 6 Years Old?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:10 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
For the first 10 years of production, all Jimmie Vaughan Sigs had MSN6xxxx serials. Even though their first year of production was '97.

Really. Honest to God. Wrong date codes have always been a JV thang.


Yes, but regardless of the lettering the initial numbers were always a pretty accurate measure of the year they were made (+ - 1yr).

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