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Post subject: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs riftsawn
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:08 pm
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What's the final verdict on these necks?

some people, including fender (http://www2.fender.com/experience/tech- ... awn-necks/) rage about quartersawn necks, others prefer flatsawn like Leo, at least allegedly. The custom shop is rife with birdseye or flamed maple, which is truly beautiful, which could be the reason.

Everybody seems to agree that riftsawn is the least desirable and that quartersawn is the most stable, but if a quartersawn neck moves, it probably will move sideward and the neck is gone. Others argue that a flatsawn neck will only move in a direction that can be counterbalanced by a truss rod, but it's less stable than quartersawn. Many say that it really doesn't matter.
http://www.edroman.com/techarticles/quartersawn.htm

So whats the final verdict?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAxvKw-wg-Y

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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:16 am
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As my very personal opinion, it alone doesn't matter - good guitars with fantastic sound come from all saw patterns, and on the other hand, there are lemons among quartersawns.

The real high end would be using use split-with-the-grain wood... :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:51 am
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Do you mean cutting along the grain?

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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:07 am
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Subject to the girth of the log, and where the piece of timber came from relative to that log flat sawn (or through and through as it is called in the UK) can be pretty much one and the same.

Leo would have liked "Through and Through" because it is the cheapest cut. It is the quickest to convert (turning a log into planks) as it doesn't involve turning the log and creates the most timber from one log.

The main thing to consider is the rings will try to straighten themselves, and there is potentially greater movement in the rings closer to the outside of the tree. Quarter sawn endeavours to keep the piece perpendicular to the heart of the tree so when you look at the end of the neck the grain should be an even "C" shape.

Is Riftsawn really a thing with Maple?

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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:03 am
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HNSFury wrote:
Do you mean cutting along the grain?

Not cutting (like a saw does, even along the grain), but splitting (with axes, wedges, blades etc.).
The ancient way, you know. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:43 am
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jmattis wrote:
HNSFury wrote:
Do you mean cutting along the grain?

Not cutting (like a saw does, even along the grain), but splitting (with axes, wedges, blades etc.).
The ancient way, you know. 8)


Snake oil. Once it has been planed up it wont make a blind bit of difference (assuming a reasonable section location in the first instance). It all sounds very cool, traditional and artisan though and, no doubt allows people to charge more.

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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:19 pm
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In the vid which I enjoyed Mike said one is not necessarily better just different....
Really need some wood experts here (which I am not) to explain runout etc.
http://www.lutherie.net/frankford.runout.html
I do know that birdseye is generally achieved by flatsawing the wood.
Flame I am not sure about but maybe quarter sawn ..though others say flame can be unstable so if quarter sawn how can that be
My current favourite has what appears to be flat sawn with both birdseye and flame :D


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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:05 pm
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John Sims wrote:
It all sounds very cool, traditional and artisan though and, no doubt allows people to charge more.

My thoughts exactly, that's why the :wink: and 8) in my posts.


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Post subject: Re: Strat necks: Quartersawn vs Flatsawn vs birdseye vs rift
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:32 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
In the vid which I enjoyed Mike said one is not necessarily better just different....
Really need some wood experts here (which I am not) to explain runout etc.
http://www.lutherie.net/frankford.runout.html
I do know that birdseye is generally achieved by flatsawing the wood.
Flame I am not sure about but maybe quarter sawn ..though others say flame can be unstable so if quarter sawn how can that be
My current favourite has what appears to be flat sawn with both birdseye and flame :D


I'm not a wood expert either, but I read that flame and birdseye are both flatsawn.

I do believe that quartersawn is truly more stable than anything else, but if it moves which is rare, it warps sideways ...and then you lose your neck completely.

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