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Post subject: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:35 pm
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In my earlier post I wanted to authenticate a 1999 Standard USA Strat. Thanks to you guys on here and customer support I now know it's a neck from a 1999 Lonestar Strat with a different authentic USA body.
Originally the neck was put on a "Shoreline Gold" Lonestar. Although customer support says both body and neck are Fender, the guitar is a "partscaster". How does this affect the value of the guitar? I had settled with the seller at a trade for a 2011 USA Gibson SG Standard and the trade value was agreed for both at $1000.00 Canadian. I'm guessing as a non original guitar it is worth less...?? Again, any help is appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:34 am
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We give you some answer on your first post, maybe you did not read them yet.

A full original American Standard may sell $800 cnd and will keep same resale value, Partcaster not.

IMO partcaster with no proof of good / high quality parts and electronic don't worth more than half of this price and I pass.


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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:25 am
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It could be worth next to nothing or it might not.

Partscasters aren't necessarily bad (Claptons original Strats were Partscasters). They can be the good bits from several guitars or they might be what is left after the good bits have been used to make another guitar. You can see the problem. Sometimes the tonal properties of a neck and body will sing when they come together or they could be cancelling each other out.

There are so many unknowns that, in the end, it is only worth what you are willing to pay. You can only decide that by playing the guitar. It might sing for you and you make a connection like no guitar you have played before... or it might just be the left over bits after someone made that guitar for them.

Unless you can play it, or it is cheap enough to take a risk, walk away.

Bought well a legitimate second hand Strat can be sold on for the same money if you don't get along. Unless a Partscaster is very cheap there is every possibility you wouldn't move it on without making a loss.

There are too many good guitars out there to risk a pile of parts.

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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:39 am
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John Sims wrote:
It could be worth next to nothing or it might not.

Partscasters aren't necessarily bad (Claptons original Strats were Partscasters).

'60 parts caster have nothing to do with '90 parts caster, like '60 Strat have nothing to do with '90 Strat. but I know what you mean, a parts Caster could be great too



There are too many good guitars out there to risk a pile of parts.
I agree



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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:23 am
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jaygl wrote:
In my earlier post I wanted to authenticate a 1999 Standard USA Strat. Thanks to you guys on here and customer support I now know it's a neck from a 1999 Lonestar Strat with a different authentic USA body.
Originally the neck was put on a "Shoreline Gold" Lonestar. Although customer support says both body and neck are Fender, the guitar is a "partscaster". How does this affect the value of the guitar? I had settled with the seller at a trade for a 2011 USA Gibson SG Standard and the trade value was agreed for both at $1000.00 Canadian. I'm guessing as a non original guitar it is worth less...?? Again, any help is appreciated.
There's also the possibility of a neck swap having been done by Fender themselves, under warranty. I have one such - the body is 2014; the neck is 2016. I have paperwork from Fender GB to prove they put a new neck on to fix an unfixable fault on the original neck. Serial nos from both are quoted.

I wouldn't really expect this guitar to be worth less than the 'original' Strat, but I don't know if Fenders keeps records of such repairs. If not, and the paperwork was lost, I can see there might be questions further down the line. Doesn't bother me, though - I've got a neck with no fretwear, and I'm not selling anyway! Just thought I'd mention it.

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:28 pm
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John Sims wrote:
You can see the problem. Sometimes the tonal properties of a neck and body will sing when they come together or they could be cancelling each other out.

This can/does happen just as often with a factory model. Do you think Fender, after assembling a guitar, decides the neck and body aren't a match and scraps it?


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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:21 am
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Skydog6653 wrote:
John Sims wrote:
You can see the problem. Sometimes the tonal properties of a neck and body will sing when they come together or they could be cancelling each other out.

This can/does happen just as often with a factory model. Do you think Fender, after assembling a guitar, decides the neck and body aren't a match and scraps it?


There are Fender videos that claim Custom Shop guitars have the tonal properties of bodies and necks matched to ensure they compliment each other. For the mass produced lines I am sure it is just the next one off the pile.

Another example of how two seemingly identical guitars can be completely different.

With modern material technologies it is perhaps surprising that guitar manufacturers don't addopt materials which can be 100% consistent in their properties. It is this abstract nature of wood which gives guitars more personality than a spanner or pair of pliers though.

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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:18 am
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Funny how the can of worms pops up in unexpected topics...
I'll try to keep this short, and just as a reminder that some things presented as facts are opinions... :wink:

The reason for avoiding new materials and constructions is almost purely commercial. Buyers of certain brands are tied to old, vintage, customs, and habits, and are so sure of what sounds right that anything new has to have a long drive-in period before there's money to be made.
There are of course guitar manufacturers who have proved that a guitar made of (insert almost any material here) can sound good, but their market slice is still narrow.

Mind you, in my (too many to mention) decades of puttering with guitars, I've not yet met a Fender where mismatched woods would have killed the guitar...


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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:13 am
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jmattis wrote:
Mind you, in my (too many to mention) decades of puttering with guitars, I've not yet met a Fender where mismatched woods would have killed the guitar...

Consider yourself lucky! Personally, I've owned two MIM’s (both bought “buy ‘em to try ‘em” on the internet) that were tonal dogs. The worst of the two was a Jimmy Vaughan that weighed close to 9#’s! Sonically, at normal club volume, it had nothing. Dead! I sold it to a guy that plays in a metal band. With everything dimed, through several pedals, into a 100 watt SS amp, the guitar shines. So I guess they all have their place, it's up to us to find it!


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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:38 am
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Seems to me that was not a 'mismatched woods' (in the "body and neck don't relate" meaning) issue at all.
Seems more like player/setup/gear related. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: 1999 Fender "Partscaster" Value
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:17 pm
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No, this was more of a turd issue.


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