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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:03 pm
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does anyone have a diagram for the specifications of an HSH strat rout? i have the routing template for the neck, i just need to know where to put the template, since theres a single coil rout there.

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It is often felt to be a good thing to place the neck pickup so that the polepieces are where a 24th fret would be, if it existed - in other words, at exactly half the distance from the breaking point on the saddles to the front of the nut. This is because nice harmonic overtones are found at that point on the string (one of the disadvantages of a 24 fret neck is you can't place the neck pickup in that position).

When positioning a humbucker, most people would put the front polepieces (those nearest the neck) in that 24th fret position, though some would try to make that spot exactly half way between the front and back poles. I'd go for the former.

Move your template around to discover that ideal position, then use low-tac adhesive drafting tape to hold it in place. Use double sided tape (or make little loops of tape to achieve the same thing) on the back of the template.

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[quote="Ceri"]It is often felt to be a good thing to place the neck pickup so that the polepieces are where a 24th fret would be, if it existed - in other words, at exactly half the distance from the breaking point on the saddles to the front of the nut. This is because nice harmonic overtones are found at that point on the string (one of the disadvantages of a 24 fret neck is you can't place the neck pickup in that position).


Lets' say......I'm impressed! (That's the reason PRS gave me when I inquired after swapping out the Vintage Bass neck pickup for Dragons on my '24'.
The Vintage Bass pickup was specifically designed for the harmonic overtones in that spot, and they discouraged the swap.)

Doc :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:28 am
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zzdoc wrote:
Lets' say......I'm impressed!
Doc :wink:


Well, straight back at ya. That is a very interesting piece of information regarding those pickups. It never occurred to me that a pickup could be designed specifically to compensate for not being in that 24th fret position, but if anyone would find a way to address it, it would be Mr Paul Reed Smith.

Never quite been sold on PRS guitars, for a range of meaningless cosmetic reasons, but from what I've heard about that Johnny Hiland instrument I suspect I could be won round. What was the outcome of the pickup switch, to your educated ear, Doc?

Another question: have you ever had the neck off, on that Hiland guitar? I've never seen how PRS do a bolt-on with 24 frets and the high-end access. I presume there is a long tenon extending into the body?

And another question: did I understand you right on another thread, Doc? Are you really thinking of swapping that guitar for the forthcoming Gilmour sig? Wow! Either that Hiland is much less than I am supposing, or you have ENORMOUS expectations of the Gilmour...

All comments gratefully received...

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I'll be watching for Doc's answer to that question.


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fhopkins wrote:
I'll be watching for Doc's answer to that question.


I find it just takes a little nudge, and then the Good Doctor has hugely interesting things to say, while we just sit back and soak it all up. :D

I have a doctor who will add an hour of discussion of ancient Welsh literature to a five-minute prescription-signing appointment, complete with long quotations from memory in the original language. Bizarrely, that actually floats my boat - but an hour talking about the intricacies of Stratocaster neck proportions would be an even more succulent medical encounter...

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Ceri wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
Lets' say......I'm impressed!
Doc :wink:


I know you're into evening on your side. I will try to get back to you duringmy lunch break

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Listen up Ceri! The doctor is posting at lunch time. :)


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Ceri wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
Lets' say......I'm impressed!
Doc :wink:

I suspect I could be won round. What was the outcome of the pickup switch, to your educated ear, Doc?

"The neck pickup is coil split and gives you both full HB and SC capabilities. The three position selector switch cannot be positioned 'in-between' as the Strat's could.' That company's website offers a video with Hiland demonstrating the guitar.

Another question: have you ever had the neck off, on that Hiland guitar? I've never seen how PRS do a bolt-on with 24 frets and the high-end access. I presume there is a long tenon extending into the body?

When I purchased my CE 24 in '94, the dealer described the neck as 'bolt-in'. Though I never had the neck off, your presumption is likely accurate with respect to those necks.

And another question: did I understand you right on another thread, Doc? Are you really thinking of swapping that guitar for the forthcoming Gilmour sig? Wow! Either that Hiland is much less than I am supposing, or you have ENORMOUS expectations of the Gilmour...

'The Hiland prices in the high 2K's. My expectations of the pricing of the Gilmour is reflected on what we know the Custom Shop is asking for their 'relic' treatments, and their NOS guitars with some leeway for the fact that the Gilmour relic will likely have a 'tribute' quality to it in that it is proported to reflect the guitar as it is today. That would mean it would have to show the 'humbucker' repair, among other things. The copy one reads on "Gilmourish" indicates that the guitars will 'take time to build'...thus I envision both team and masterbuilt instruments. Then, there's the demand, and how much of the shop will be devoted to that guitar, and of course, the additional 'juice' one might be able to inject into the pricing as a result.

I hope I'm wrong, but my guess is that the price point on this may be more than many of the hopefuls can rise to.

The company understands that much of their following has grown up with them and many are now in the position to command and afford bigger and better toys."

Doc :wink:

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Thanks for your info and thoughts Doc. I'm sure you are right on the probable cost of the DG. We'll just have to wait (hope) and see. I guess Ceri called it a night but he'll read your post in the morning(here). I enjoy your insite on these subjects. THANKS. 8)


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I guess we side tracked the original posters question. Sorry. :oops:


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fhopkins wrote:
I guess we side tracked the original posters question. Sorry. :oops:


Nah, his question was answered. Now he's just getting extra value for his money.

Anyway: so presuming the speculation / pre-promotion is right and there are to be two guitars, an Artist and a Tribute, then it's the latter you are aiming at, Doc?

Again: wow. Investment as well as player considerations. How does the resale value of the Hiland PRS compare with its purchase price?

I guess the lesser Gilmour instrument is for us lesser mortals. Of course, we can always route it for a Kahler and then refill and refinish it: a DIY Tribute. Then we'll discover what the Custom Shop is getting paid for. Hmm...

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Anyway: so presuming the speculation / pre-promotion is right and there are to be two guitars, an Artist and a Tribute, then it's the latter you are aiming at, Doc?

Nooooo...wayyyyyy!!!!

Not withstanding Alain's magnificent collection, much to be admired as art. my interests do not spur me to spend such sums as a matter of course. The one such thing I did splurge on is a black MIM Strat signed by Stevie, John, Lindsey, and Mick of FM, in a really nice presentation case, with photos and a small plaque giving the date of signing.

With respect to the Gilmour,if at all, I might consider the lesser of the two, and that would depend on the price point, and what I might realize in trade, for hardly played condition. I would also have to get my hands on the Gilmour and audition it. It would have to feel and sound very special.( I might remind you that I've already owned a '97 American Standard Ash Natural Finish, in which I dropped a DG-20, and ultimately got out of that for a Clapton. So it certainly does come down to 'feel' and 'appeal' in the final analysis.)

Here's another thing to consider. I have been much impressed with what many of you out there are turning out in your own home shops and sharing with each other in this forum. There are '0ne-offs' on this forum which are amazing. Some of you could realistically begin taking orders for guitars. Of course, I jest, in that this would be an inappropriate venue for such a draw, but the gifts are certainly there.

Given the level of skill and creativity demonstrated herein, I am dumbfounded by all the 'ink' we've bled over this Gilmour since the die-hards out there began to smell it. But who am I to rain on someone else's parade, particularly the company's.The artist has taken great pains to share something very special of his with a most dedicated audience and fan base. Much to be admired.

To those of you for whom a Gilmour is in your future, should you ultimately acquire one, I hope it that rises to your great expectations and
you derive great pleasure from its ownership.

Doc :wink:

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