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Post subject: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:38 pm
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I have a 67 strat-s.n-209214 date stamped 13 OCT 1967 B.When I bought the guitar it had a horrible lime green/dirty yellow finish which was uniform(same everywhere-behind springs-in pickup routings and all over guitar body)I took it to a reputable guitar tech and was informed guitar had been dipped in fullerton filler then given the bottom layer(the yellow) of 3 tone sunburst,then had been shipped out of Fender.Why would a 67 strat be shipped without having the finish,finished?I had the guitar finished in lacquer(protect the wood)then brown woodstain then lacquer on top.Now that old age has pushed me into selling this guitar(we are seperated by 19 days!)I have the 'problem' of selling it as what?Ive stated that it's refinished but to be that it first needs to be finished!It wasn't really finished until1990!And yes,it has bumps aplenty on the inside/underside of the top horn and ciggy burns(ancient-pre 80's) on the underside of the headstock,but the body has bumps all over so.....Can anyone please help?Why unfinished?Was it sent here to the UK for further paintwork?Paisley pattern?I really any help on this folks.


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:45 pm
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You should tell the story as honestly as you can to the buyer and not hold anything back. It should still be worth a lot. It sounds and plays well, right?


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:37 pm
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The story from your guitar tech sounds a bit strange, I can't see why it would be dipped in anything.

I have certainly heard of guitars being refinished in the UK, particularly when everyone wanted red ones like Hank and all that was coming over were sunburst.

As already said, document the history and leave it at that. On no account refinish the body. If the new owner wants to destroy the history that is up to them.

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:52 pm
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The earlier post from the OP and replies were on the General/Introductions section: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=107849&p=1200557#p1200557

The proper procedure is already suggested above; tell the whole story when you have the guitar evaluated and/or sell it.

I'm only guessing, experimenting with thoughts, and giving possibilities here - and I'm assuming the guitar is a legit '67 Strat:

The Fullerplast, as far as I know, was a spray-on base coat, not dip-in.
The sunburst bottom would have been a dip-in process, and that is one explanation for the yellow. Another is, it was originally some yellow color coat without clear lacquer; there are examples of sixties Fenders like this. On diagnosing, the neck pocket might help, but the refin you had done probably hid what was underneath.

There are rumors that Selmer (Fender representative/agent in the UK around sixties) had the right to finish Fender guitars, but a) there's no official verification to this rumor, and b) according to the rumor, guitars came from Fender as sunburst, not yellow bottom coat only.
I'd give it a one-in-a-million possibility that the rumor is true and that this guitar slipped the UK refin and ended to someone as it came from the US. And that faint chance is there only because there are Fender oddities without explanation.
Anyways, some "UK original refins" have been sold for amazingly high prices based on the rarity. Sadly, that doesn't apply here: regardless of what there was in the beginning, the 1990ish refinish makes this guitar a refinished 1967 Strat, and the price level will most likely compare to that.

Oh, pics would be really interesting.

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Hi again,I cant find the upload photos section on your site,if you have the time I've put it on reverb.com under electric guitar-fender.You can just see those dents disappearing under the finish that went on top(inside of top horn) and those ancient ciggy burns on the underside of the headstock,(right handed smokin guitar players would use the other side)and I remember sharing a joke with the guitar tech concerning the dents which were a lot more pronounced before he applied the finish,if only,if only!I've tried tracking down sales from Fender / Arbiter etc but no luck yet.Thanks again for your help.

That answer popped up on the Introductions section. Speaking only on my own behalf, I'm pissed.
You don't want to search or ask how to post pics on the forum, but you expect someone else go digging your ad up from somewhere in the web, since you don't even give a link. On top of that, as a minor irritation, you keep posting on the Introductions section...
Really? :shock:


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:52 pm
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Theres a button here marked "post reply"and no I cant find where photo uploads take place,I'm so sorry if I offended your vastly superior knowledge, experience and intelligence.I'm trying to find out about my guitar.I've also discovered this guitar has 4 pat numbers on headstock,instead of what 67 strats should have.The plot deepens,thickens and makes spaghetti look untangled.Maybe the kind soul on the forum here could have the politeness not to insult people.Especially old people who have cancer?


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:32 pm
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It's been almost 20 years since I had that conversation with the quack.
I have a few years on you too, and I'm damned if I'm gonna accept being called old.

I have just had a look on Reverb, and can't find your guitar.
Any chance of a link?

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:14 pm
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Thanks so much Jmattis,thats been really helpful,how and why the guitar ended up here semi naked is a mystery,I suppose thats part of the fun,they've got history all of their own and finding out anything about an instrument that you care about is hugely rewarding,picking up on what you said and going back to selmer etc I found out that 65 strats had 5 pat numbers on headstock,66/67's had 3.You guessed it,mines has 4.Time for more digging!Many thanks again for your help.


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:12 am
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Hey sorry to hear about your illness.
For those wanting a peek do a search 1967 Fender Stratocaster Gear Outlet Reverb
Hard to tell the headstock numbers 4 patents is unusual for 67 to say the least.
Looks like someone added a bar above the nut. :D


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:23 am
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dancer67 wrote:
I cant find where photo uploads take place

You need to upload pics to a webhost (flickr, imgur or such, avoid photobucket), then get the image web address (starts with http, ends with .jpg) and use the IMG-button (which is visible when you write a post on the forum.

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vastly superior knowledge, experience and intelligence

I get your irony. Try to get the reason of my irritation; make helping you easy as possible. Photo post instructions are above. Posting a link to that reverb page is just copy & paste - so, finally, link it here.

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Especially old people who have cancer?

On the cancer part (which I could not guess that from the previous conversations), keep fighting it.
On the 'old' part, I'm a senior to you and 'age is nothing but experience'. So, respect your elders. :mrgreen:

Edit: Thanks, j_j. The ad is here: 1967 Fender Stratocaster reverb.com
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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:21 am
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What a convoluted story to follow. Thanks JM for, at least giving us a clue what we are looking at.

And, as I was also born before 1967, the next person who suggests 50+ is old is going to get a smacking. I'm still trying to decide what I want to do when I grow up.

I am obviously very sorry to hear of the OP's illness and wish you all the best.

Following that preamble - Yes you are right, that is a spectacularly disgusting looking guitar (now we can see it). I can understand your thoughts on getting it refinished.

Despite its nauseating appearance I think you are stuck with selling it like it is. Any buyer will most likely have it refinished, but refinished in a colour they want by a professional they trust. You have no idea what either of these are likely to be so it is best not to second guess. If you get the wrong colour (again) carried out by a wood butcher (again) you will just be compounding the situation.

£9000? That is certainly a goodly sum.

I can appreciate that a guitar of that age, in good condition (or with provenance), would be worth a goodly sum. The thing is how does that sum depreciate with non standard parts, damage, poor condition etc. While a good condition '67 might be worth more at what point does it become less? Does a pile of sawdust and rust from a '67 Strat have any value at all?

You suggest in your advert that the guitar is in good condition. I appreciate that it is an advert and you want the most but I think "good" is pushing it a bit.

All that said, if it plays like it were made by angels, you could almost get anything for it. Unfortunately, two years into CBS ownership isn't the period most people look for playing classics.

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:00 am
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Especially old people who have cancer
Having just been through the diagnosis procedure, then 38 sessions of radiotherapy (and won't get any result at all for over 18 months), I know what you mean. It certainly concentrates the mind, but keep your pecker up! The vast majority of cancers nowadays are either cured or managed until you die of something else, as you've hopefully been told.

And you're NOT old - I have 15 years on you and don't consider myself 'old'!!! I'm just making sure I now buy whatever Strat I want - assuming I can afford it!

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:49 pm
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Wow,thanks for all the messages guys,your genuine humanity is an inspiration,and should be an inspiration to all.Thanks folks.I'll sell that damned guitar somehow,worth 9 gees?Course not.The guitar tech is a respected guy and although I would've preferred a natural wood(unpainted) finish he did protect the wood very well and maybe safety first is a good call.I've managed some more research and found that the decal with the 4 numbers is from 64!!!Tuners are schaller,it's never had Klusons(no extra holes)and thats just headstock anomalies!Theres so much happening here with this guitar.It's saving grace really is it sounds incredible(through a master volume Marshall it has an honesty thats staggering,no gimmicks or effects just pure tone)and it plays better than any other guitar I've ever played.Many apologies to frustrating Y'all with my computer illiteracy,this is actually the first forum I've been on,ever!It's taken me 6 months just to get onto facebook,I'm now going to trace the two fender pickups in this thing,I'll let you know the hilarious results!Thanks again folks.


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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:18 pm
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dancer67 wrote:
I've managed some more research and found that the decal with the 4 numbers is from 64!!!


No, it's not!
This is from another '67 - if you look in the right place you'll find one with Kluson tuners and five patent numbers.
This one has the Fender marked Schaller tuners ...
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Post subject: Re: 1967 Fender Strat
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:46 am
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Thanks Chris,I see that 4 number headstock,even the "cutout"(slightly sqewiff) is the same as I've got.I uncovered info that had 1964-4 numbers,65-5 numbers,66/67-3 numbers.I suppose in the manufacturing environment of Fender in mid 60's folk used what was there,(got any decals?some in that box under the table)type of thing.Makes putting all that info together a challenge.Mine has "S"marked schallers which aren't the norm,I think the term "Standard" as regards 60's Strats was maybe an in-house joke at Fender!


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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:39 am
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