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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:33 am
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CAFeathers wrote:
I prefer the Bridge/Neck pickups on one tone control and the middle pickup on it's own tone control

That's just it; it's your preferred way of things.
I ain't taking sides on if it's better or worse than the Fender style, or master pots, but the neck/bridge common, middle alone tone pot wiring is very rarely used. My guitar history is about as long as yours, and I've only seen that idea a couple of times.

Just guessing that "the Fender way" may have something to do with the logical positioning of tone pots in relation to pickups. (I might be wrong, because Fender's 4way Tele parallel/series switch positions don't go along with the theory.)


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:59 am
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jmattis wrote:
My guitar history is about as long as yours, and I've only seen that idea a couple of times.


+1

But indeed I *have* seen it, most notably among country players who prefer a Strat for its comfort but need traditional Tele tones. Thus the idea makes sense but it may have limited appeal among the majority of Stratophiles.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:03 pm
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It's a cool idea. You wouldn't really be losing much except the ability to quickly jump from a rolled off neck tone to a wide open bridge and vice versa. The controls would also be a little less intuitive.


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:47 pm
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CAFeathers wrote:
I have been playing guitar off and on since the 1960's (Yes, That makes me older than dirt) and I have always wondered why with all of the great people who have designed and made Stratocasters why have they not figured out that if you wire the bridge and neck pickups to the same tone control and the middle pickup to it's own tone control you would be able to adjust the tone for all 3 pickups? I mean with the way 5 way switch is set up you can't use the bridge and neck pickups at the same time. So it only makes sense, well to me it does.


Yeah, that would be a solution of one wanted to have all those tone possibilities but it would lose the ultra-clean pickup-direct-to-amp tone Fender wanted when he didn't connect the bridge pickup to a tone pot. I don't know that your tone config hasn't been thought of as it has been done for years with Stratocaster volume knobs. The original volume knob is wired to control only the neck and bridge pickups and the adjacent tone knob is changed to a volume pot controlling only the center pickup. The five-position switch is changed to a 3-position with selections for Bridge p/u, All 3 pickups on, Neck p/u. In the middle with all three pickups on, the middle pickup can be brought completely down in volume such that only the outer two pickups are active. The only pickup combinations not possible with this wiring are all pickups off and only the center pickup on. The remaining tone knob is wired as a master tone for all pickups.


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:11 pm
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This won't address Chet's question but I have the Kinman K9 system installed in two of my Strats.
It gives me the option of ramping in the neck pup to whatever degree I choose when the switch is set to bridge or to bridge/middle.
It gets me fairly close to a Tele sound when set to bridge and all three when set to bridge/middle, which is a whole different sound not normally available to Strat players.
It also allows me to choose if I want the bridge/middle setting to be in series or parallel which is another nice option.
You can even do both at the same time.
It's pretty versatile.
It does require adding break-away connectors to the leads on the pups but that small investment of your time also speeds up swapping pups in and out if you're the type who likes to switch back and forth frequently.
Installing the connectors onto your existing pups is made simpler buy using their "adapters" so you don't actually have to use their pups to use the system.
My Koa Top Strat, pictured below, has the system and has a set of Fender Fat 50s in it.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:20 pm
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To me, it seems best to have a tone control for bridge, a tone control for neck, and no tone control for middle. This is also one way to avoid having 2 tone controls on at the same time as with many configurations.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:30 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
This won't address Chet's question but I have the Kinman K9 system installed in two of my Strats.
It gives me the option of ramping in the neck pup to whatever degree I choose when the switch is set to bridge or to bridge/middle.
It gets me fairly close to a Tele sound when set to bridge and all three when set to bridge/middle, which is a whole different sound not normally available to Strat players.
It also allows me to choose if I want the bridge/middle setting to be in series or parallel which is another nice option.
You can even do both at the same time.
It's pretty versatile.
It does require adding break-away connectors to the leads on the pups but that small investment of your time also speeds up swapping pups in and out if you're the type who likes to switch back and forth frequently.
Installing the connectors onto your existing pups is made simpler buy using their "adapters" so you don't actually have to use their pups to use the system.


It sounds like the Kinman system mimics many of the original configurations found in Fender's S-1 system. Two of my Strats have the S-1 switching and it's quite useful.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:48 pm
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I think it's possible the K9 system pre-dates the S1 system.
I can't remember the dates but I know I already had it when the S1 came out.
I think the S1 debuted in '10 or '11.
Don't quote me on that.
I had the K9 in '06 I think.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster question to ponder.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:52 pm
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The first Strat I built with S-1 switching was completed in August of 2007. I purchased a loaded factory pickguard with the SCN pickups from Ebay. I had seen the system demonstrated at a Guitar Center sometime in late '04 or early '05.

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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:08 pm
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