It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:53 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14049
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
jmattis wrote:
And this:
Image


:lol:


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:10 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:57 am
Posts: 2238
Location: UK
stratele52 wrote:
John Sims wrote:
Well, you could measure the gap, remove the block, and then screw in the screw to the appropriate depth.

.


This will not work, mesuring a gap is not like pushing on the tremolo block.


I think most people (if capable of making a wood block) would be able to measure the gap and fit a screw as an alternative.

As an indentured practical person I think I am qualified to work out the practical aspects of the problem so, perhaps, don't worry about the practicalities.

_________________
John

After all this time I should be better.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:28 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:57 am
Posts: 2238
Location: UK
jmattis wrote:
A perfectly shaped wooden trem block blocker is traditional, beautiful and functional, and shows dedication & love to the guitar and skills (especially when made out of grainmatched body wood, painted Sunburst, Candy, GoldLeaf etc. to match the guitar - and equipped with a little screw for easy removal).
A screw... blahh - I wouldn't like to screw up a guitar. Who cares if it's simple, it ain't proper... Might as well just tension the trem claw springs... :lol:
BTW, a hex end screw can be adjusted while the trem is mounted. Drilling a straight angle hole in the cavity, that's where this might go sour...


LOL. That is pretty much the conclusion I came to in respect of the wooden block and wouldn't even have considered a screw had the hole not been there in the first place...but then it got me thinking. 8)

I don't necessarily see drilling the hole as much of an issue, had there not been one there already, and it wouldn't necessarily matter if it wasn't 100% perpendicular to the wall. It would be no more difficult than drilling the holes for the trem claw as you have the length of the cavity to play with.

A slight concern, in retrospect, is you could be drilling into the joint between two pieces of timber which wouldn't be favourite as you wouldn't want to encourage you body to split. At least I now have an answer as to why not. :)

_________________
John

After all this time I should be better.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:55 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
stratele52 wrote:
jmattis wrote:
And this:
Image


:lol:


Rube Goldberg, anyone......?

:shock:

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:34 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:24 pm
Posts: 73
Location: Indiana
stratele52 wrote:
Skydog6653 wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Did a screw may induce rattle ?

Not if you use a wood screw....... (_8^(l)


Sorry; ill-fated attempt at humor.

I mean, the steel head of the screw touching tremolo block....
How to tighten this screw with no access to its head ?
Wise grip pliers on the thread ?


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:02 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:50 pm
Posts: 7998
Location: ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝsoɹ pןıʍ
For the life of me I can't remember what it looked like but I think there was some kind of bolt-on device you could screw into your claw cavity to disable a trem.
This would have been in the mid 80s.
I don't think I ever saw one in person.
Magazine ads and such.
I'll think on that a spell.

The gate bolt made me think of it.

_________________
Image
Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:07 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
BMW-KTM wrote:
For the life of me I can't remember what it looked like but I think there was some kind of bolt-on device you could screw into your claw cavity to disable a trem.
This would have been in the mid 80s.
I don't think I ever saw one in person.
Magazine ads and such.
I'll think on that a spell.

The gate bolt made me think of it.


Was it the Trem-Setter, Matt?

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:37 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:50 pm
Posts: 4602
Location: ˚ɷ˚
Or a Tremol-No?

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:59 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
jmattis wrote:
A perfectly shaped wooden trem block blocker is traditional, beautiful and functional, and shows dedication & love to the guitar and skills (especially when made out of grainmatched body wood, painted Sunburst, Candy, GoldLeaf etc. to match the guitar - and equipped with a little screw for easy removal).
A screw... blahh - I wouldn't like to screw up a guitar. Who cares if it's simple, it ain't proper... Might as well just tension the trem claw springs... :lol:
BTW, a hex end screw can be adjusted while the trem is mounted. Drilling a straight angle hole in the cavity, that's where this might go sour.

But come to think of it, who am I to judge. Who da block fit, and so on... Trems have been blocked with just about anything. Coins. Cork. Eraser. Zippo. And this:
Image


That is pushing the block the wrong way ... :?

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:13 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
shimmilou wrote:
That is pushing the block the wrong way ... :?


Seeing as how that doesn't appear to be a *Fender* Stratocaster, perhaps that company's trem operates differently.

:mrgreen:

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:20 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:57 am
Posts: 2238
Location: UK
shimmilou wrote:

That is pushing the block the wrong way ... :?


It depends how much tension is in the springs. If the springs are pulled up hard it would be no different to decking the trem.

_________________
John

After all this time I should be better.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:21 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:53 am
Posts: 4241
shimmilou wrote:
That is pushing the block the wrong way ... :?

I wondered how long it would take before anyone notices... :lol:

Edit:
John Sims wrote:
If the springs are pulled up hard it would be no different to decking the trem.

Hmm... If one hears the difference between a decked and a blocked trem, one should hear the difference between decked to body and decked to a door latch. :twisted:


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:26 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:50 pm
Posts: 7998
Location: ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝsoɹ pןıʍ
The name Trem Setter sounds familiar.
That could be it.
Tremolo No isn't ringing any bells for me.

How well did these things work?

_________________
Image
Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:36 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:57 am
Posts: 2238
Location: UK
Though not a wobbler I'm not keen on decking. It is a bit hit and miss as you have to have the mounting screws at just the right height or the plate wont sit flat on the face of the guitar. A gnats hair up or down and the plate can bounce on the face of the body which cant be ideal. Also, even if exactly, the right height the plate is just sitting on the face of the guitar, held there with springs. It isn't really fixed as such.

Also, it can be a pain to get the correct saddle height as the saddles have to be much higher than they would be on a floating plate. The higher saddles increase the leverage presented by the strings so work against what you are trying to achieve as well.

So what do I do? I buy a hard tail :-) Alternatively, I float it with 5 springs. Five springs are pretty solid, particularly with .009's so you get little or no obvious lift when bending. I try to keep the plate parallel with the face of the guitar with around 2mm clearance. This reduces the leverage of high saddles, as noted above, and means the plate is perpendicular to the edge of the mounting screws, or posts, so at a better point of equilibrium.

It probably isn't the best way to do it either as, with 5 springs, the springs aren't really under much tension at all and sit there almost fully compressed. You can palm heel the back of the bridge if you really need a bit wobble though; so a pretty flexible solution. :-)

_________________
John

After all this time I should be better.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Trem Blocking - Why not use a screw?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:43 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:57 am
Posts: 2238
Location: UK
jmattis wrote:
... one should hear the difference between decked to body and decked to a door latch. :twisted:


Perhaps there are those who like a a bit of rattly harmonic accompaniment? :lol:

With regard to the "Trem Setter" wasn't that an off the shelf Fender option at one time? I haven't taken much notice of it but assume it is/was some form of spring damper (as in a shock absorber not sound deadening).

[edit] Wonderful thing Google
https://www.hipshotproducts.com/faqs/category/tremsetter-faq.html

_________________
John

After all this time I should be better.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: