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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:43 am
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Are they stupid, they would be much better off listening to someone who hasn't made more money than he can spend in a life time playing guitar.


I'm not sure I'd characterize the debate in such stark satire but FMIC builds all kinds of instruments to fill various price points. For customers who are happy with a $129 Strat Pak from Wal-Mart I say "more power to them". But for those with deeper pockets who claim to perceive a difference in tone, Fender is more than accommodating. And I'm grateful for their indulgence.

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:11 am
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John Sims wrote:
jmattis wrote:

And as a BTW/PS, artists using those 'superior' MIA Fenders also have a habit of personalizing/modding their instruments, just as much as the Squier users...


That old Eric Johnson, he's a boy! Not even happy with what you can get and even changes the way the switch is wired. These pro players, do they know nothing? He would have been much better off with a Squier. What does he know? :roll: I bet that Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck use standard Squiers. What!!??? They don't !!!!!???? Are they stupid, they would be much better off listening to someone who hasn't made more money than he can spend in a life time playing guitar.

You're really just attacking a straw man there.
I was pointing out the fact that modding an instrument is by no means a 'Squier only' feature.
That reminder has no indication of criticism against a) modding in general, b) on Fender-only player side of the fence (if there is such a border...), and c) least of all on pro players.

But I understand that the can is open and it will be heated up.


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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:50 am
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jmattis wrote:
...You're really just attacking a straw man there...


It's all "Me, me, me." :wink: I would not be so bold/rude as to aim such a slight in your learned direction Sir. I was merely trying to agree with you (even if I did get a bit carried away with the fun of it).

Personally I have equal respect for those that choose, and enjoy, a standard offering as well as those who are happy to try different things or change something that doesn't quite hit the mark. It is perhaps this flexibility which makes Strats so interesting and exciting and able to accommodate such diverse budgets.

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:23 am
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No harm done. Mea culpa, missing the initial agreeing behind the eloquent satire. :oops:


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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:49 am
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I bet that Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck use standard Squiers.
Obviously not, John, but - if they did - I bet they'd sound just like Eric Clapton And Jeff Beck!

I sense a certain amount of snobbery going on here. Yes, they're entry level instruments (and priced as such) but I'd have been overjoyed to have started off on a guitar of similar quality in the late 50's!

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:34 am
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...Obviously not, John, but - if they did [play standard Squiers] - I bet they'd sound just like Eric Clapton And Jeff Beck [playing standard Squiers]!...

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:24 am
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Peter S wrote:

...I sense a certain amount of snobbery going on here...


Not on my part. I've said before (above?) that modern manufacturing makes it difficult to produce the sort of rough planks we grew up with, even on entry level guitars. That said, I have just bought an example of the first electric guitar I bought 40 odd years ago and (now I have a bit more experience) am looking forward to see how rough or otherwise it really was/is.

However, to consider there might be little difference between a modern entry level guitar, and a guitar at 10 or 20 times, or more, the price doesn't really demonstrate a great understanding of what goes into the higher end instruments. OK, so there is hype, and marketing, and charging more because they can but, when you pick up two instruments, you should be able to tell which is better. If you can't you aren't going to pay the extra.

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:28 am
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That said, I have just bought an example of the first electric guitar I bought 40 odd years ago and (now I have a bit more experience) am looking forward to see how rough or otherwise it really was/is.


Details?

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:39 am
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An here is the enigma (probably the wrong word but stick with me).

Back at the dawn of time, in Start terms, Fender produced a guitar with a certain PUP. Perhaps every year since they have had a new and improved PUP which is "better" than those which have gone before.

And yet, today, some of us will willingly pay over the odds for PUP's which are as near as identical to those early (inferior?) PUP's. How does that work then?

I will also concede that there is every possibility today's entry level PUPs may exhibit many of the sought after properties of the old (inferior? but now sought after) PUP's.

All we can conclude is Fender is laughing all the way to their share holders meetings.

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:42 am
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All we can conclude is Fender is laughing all the way to their share holders meetings.


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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:52 am
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John Sims wrote:
That said, I have just bought an example of the first electric guitar I bought 40 odd years ago and (now I have a bit more experience) am looking forward to see how rough or otherwise it really was/is.


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Arjay


A bit off thread but:-

Image

It's an Avon SG copy made in Japan in the early 70's for Rose Morris. Not the actual guitar I bought 40 years ago (I took the logo off mine and changed the bridge) but the same model/period etc. I'm away so haven't played it yet. It needs some TLC where it has been molested, so its a project, but after that I have no idea yet how it will play and if I will even want to play it. If it plays anything like OK that will be a bonus as it wasn't why I bought it.

https://rosemorris.com/blogs/news/15082385-avon-alcove-rose-morris-history

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Post subject: Re: Squier vs Fender Custom Shop PUP!
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:59 am
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That's a good looking clone. Should be a nice restoration project.

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